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Reply #300 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:53pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Look, Karnal, some of what you say is valid, but you seriously never thought that Gillard was patronising, and spoke like a primary school teacher at times? Many people think this, not just me. Both critics and supporters of hers thought this.


Not on Q&A, which I always watch.

Some of her early performances as PM, I think, were a struggle: "the real Julia". Some of her pre-recorded messages to camera I recall being very patronizing, but I can't remember now what they were about.

Rudd, by contrast, was an automaton. His media coaching was obvious in his erratic hand gestures. He wasn't bad in the pre-recorded talking head stuff though. He did quite well with a script.

Gillard was the reverse. She was brilliant on the fly - she was on top of her briefs, gave detailed responses, and demonstrated a deep awareness of the issues - particularly economic issues.

What let her performance down, however, was her monotone delivery. She didn't change speed or pitch when she talked - it all came out in one long line - paced, polished.

With Gillard, we saw very little thinking. Gillard had an answer for everything - she was never ruffled. In the media, she was always polite. Compare this to Abbott, who thinks, stops, starts, and thinks again. This is not necessarily a weakness in Abbott's thinking style, but it's a weakness in his speaking style.

Likewise with Gillard - her performance did not demonstrate an ability to make better decisions, but it was an incredible skill. It did make her appear rather controlled, but they're all controlled. Gillard was an intelligent, organized and commanding personality. She was a brilliant communicator. She may well make a good academic. The writing and columns I've read of Gillard's were also good, although I'm not sure whether staffers wrote them. 

Although Gillard never showed an interest in discussing theory as PM, she clearly knows it, particularly on International Relations and the economy. She knew leaders can't appear to be smarty-pants - that people want leaders to be straight on their level.

This is Abbott's challenge. He likes grappling with ideas, but can't be seen to be fleshing them out - which is exactly what he does. People expect leaders to have all the answers, which is most unfair. Look at Hockey - he does well at looking human and falible. It's one reason we like him.

But he'll never make PM.



I do understand your point and agree with much of what you say, but let's not pretend that Gillard was completely infallible when talking with others. She was patronising when that lady in a Brisbane shopping centre asked her why she broke her word. At first she was okay, but as the 'interview' went on, she did begin to become a bit patronising, and for some strange reason was touching the lady on the shoulder. I do agree that she both Rudd and Abbott can become a bit more flustered than she does, but Abbott has never really patronised anyone, he just fumbles more. As I daod, I wouldn't really rate any of the three as great communicators with the public, they all had their respective strengths and weaknesses. I do completely agree about Hockey.

My personal picks for communicating with the public would be Bishop, Turnbull, Pyne, Albanese and Wong. Strangely enough, even Brown was good. Many people who would never even consider voting Green would listen to him. Milne is the complete opposite.
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Reply #301 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Reading throiugh some of the comments, I would like to say this: true, polls show that most Australians support homosexual marriage, I can't deny that. However, I am sure that most Australians don't really care about the issue, it isn't high on their list. Nor is climate change (which many think isn't even real) or illegal immigrants. Q & A, (and the ABC more broadly), discuss at least one of these issues every episode, often all three or at least two of the three.


Oh, I think Alan discusses two of these issues constantly too, Matty.

If necessary, he avoids the other one with a mute button. 


I'm not sure what you mean by the mute button comment, but what Alan does is immaterial when we are discussing what the main public broadcsster does.
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Reply #302 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Reading throiugh some of the comments, I would like to say this: true, polls show that most Australians support homosexual marriage, I can't deny that. However, I am sure that most Australians don't really care about the issue, it isn't high on their list. Nor is climate change (which many think isn't even real) or illegal immigrants. Q & A, (and the ABC more broadly), discuss at least one of these issues every episode, often all three or at least two of the three.


Oh, I think Alan discusses two of these issues constantly too, Matty.

If necessary, he avoids the other one with a mute button. 


I'm not sure what you mean by the mute button comment, but what Alan does is immaterial when we are discussing what the main public broadcsster does.

I think the point Karnal was making, and correct me if I'm wrong Karnal, is that the fact Alan also discusses these two issues shows that these are mainstream issues that are constantly in the media. So why shouldn't QANDA discuss them?  Alan, the most heard voice in Sydney, does. So should the public broadcaster.
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Reply #303 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:45pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:42pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:11pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.

You're entitled to disagree, but as usual you're wrong Smiley


Nobody is wrong, it's an opinion, not fact.

Nope, in this case you're completely wrong Smiley


We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?
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Reply #304 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:02pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?
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Reply #305 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:03pm
 
True, Matty, but you have to admit, the public broadcaster must be well out of touch with public opinion if they're broadcasting topics Alan avoids like the plague.
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Reply #306 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:06pm
 
True, Alevine, you are correct. The public broadcaster broadcasts opinions on two out of three issues Alan discusses in his program.

They're clearly learning.

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Reply #307 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:06pm:
True, Alevine, you are correct. The public broadcaster broadcasts opinions on two out of three issues Alan discusses in his program.

They're clearly learning.



Okay, but they discuss them every single episode. There are more issues than these, and they are done to death. Alan never discusses the issue of homosexual marriage. I don't even know what his view is on the matter.
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Reply #308 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

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Reply #309 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?


Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.
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Reply #310 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm
 
yep its all about media nowadays.

both gillard and abbott are awkward in front of the camera.
gillard was silly and suffered from over exposure, sort of like one of those annoying tv commercials you get sick of , because they are on all the time.
abbott would be smart to keep a very low profile.
shorten is annoying, albo is engaging.
howard was annoying, costello was engaging

did gillard talk to people like a primary school teacher.
yes, i think she did. its a leftard fault and they cant see it.
the greens, david marr,ruddy, wong, . They all need media education in how to connect with the man in the street, with suburbia.
they need to go to bathurst and sink piss with the boys, they need to go to the local bingo, or the local TAB and see how real australians think.

the last thing they need to do is hang out with the panelists of Q and A. check its ratings. i bet it is outrated by 2 and 1/2 men (and rightly so)
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Reply #311 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB


I think that basic Christian values and ethics always have their place in Australian politics.
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Reply #312 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:13pm
 
The mute button's a thing on Alan's producer's computer screen, Matty, but Alan also has a 12 second delay.

This means if you call up and mention the hommersexual topic, Alan's producer cuts to the Gloria theme song and an adbreak.

It sounds perfectly seamless and the audience have no idea someone's broached the unspeakable topic.

This is how Alan avoids bias on his show, you see.
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Reply #313 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:16pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
yep its all about media nowadays.

both gillard and abbott are awkward in front of the camera.
gillard was silly and suffered from over exposure, sort of like one of those annoying tv commercials you get sick of , because they are on all the time.
abbott would be smart to keep a very low profile.
shorten is annoying, albo is engaging.
howard was annoying, costello was engaging

did gillard talk to people like a primary school teacher.
yes, i think she did. its a leftard fault and they cant see it.
the greens, david marr,ruddy, wong, . They all need media education in how to connect with the man in the street, with suburbia.
they need to go to bathurst and sink piss with the boys, they need to go to the local bingo, or the local TAB and see how real australians think.

the last thing they need to do is hang out with the panelists of Q and A. check its ratings. i bet it is outrated by 2 and 1/2 men (and rightly so)


I completely agree, aqua, except the part about Wong. I think that is actually pretty good at communicating and getting across her point, at least on Q & A.
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Reply #314 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:16pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Look, Karnal, some of what you say is valid, but you seriously never thought that Gillard was patronising, and spoke like a primary school teacher at times? Many people think this, not just me. Both critics and supporters of hers thought this.


Not on Q&A, which I always watch.

Some of her early performances as PM, I think, were a struggle: "the real Julia". Some of her pre-recorded messages to camera I recall being very patronizing, but I can't remember now what they were about.

Rudd, by contrast, was an automaton. His media coaching was obvious in his erratic hand gestures. He wasn't bad in the pre-recorded talking head stuff though. He did quite well with a script.

Gillard was the reverse. She was brilliant on the fly - she was on top of her briefs, gave detailed responses, and demonstrated a deep awareness of the issues - particularly economic issues.

What let her performance down, however, was her monotone delivery. She didn't change speed or pitch when she talked - it all came out in one long line - paced, polished.

With Gillard, we saw very little thinking. Gillard had an answer for everything - she was never ruffled. In the media, she was always polite. Compare this to Abbott, who thinks, stops, starts, and thinks again. This is not necessarily a weakness in Abbott's thinking style, but it's a weakness in his speaking style.

Likewise with Gillard - her performance did not demonstrate an ability to make better decisions, but it was an incredible skill. It did make her appear rather controlled, but they're all controlled. Gillard was an intelligent, organized and commanding personality. She was a brilliant communicator. She may well make a good academic. The writing and columns I've read of Gillard's were also good, although I'm not sure whether staffers wrote them. 

Although Gillard never showed an interest in discussing theory as PM, she clearly knows it, particularly on International Relations and the economy. She knew leaders can't appear to be smarty-pants - that people want leaders to be straight on their level.

This is Abbott's challenge. He likes grappling with ideas, but can't be seen to be fleshing them out - which is exactly what he does. People expect leaders to have all the answers, which is most unfair. Look at Hockey - he does well at looking human and falible. It's one reason we like him.

But he'll never make PM.



I do understand your point and agree with much of what you say, but let's not pretend that Gillard was completely infallible when talking with others. She was patronising when that lady in a Brisbane shopping centre asked her why she broke her word. At first she was okay, but as the 'interview' went on, she did begin to become a bit patronising, and for some strange reason was touching the lady on the shoulder. I do agree that she both Rudd and Abbott can become a bit more flustered than she does, but Abbott has never really patronised anyone, he just fumbles more. As I daod, I wouldn't really rate any of the three as great communicators with the public, they all had their respective strengths and weaknesses. I do completely agree about Hockey.

My personal picks for communicating with the public would be Bishop, Turnbull, Pyne, Albanese and Wong. Strangely enough, even Brown was good. Many people who would never even consider voting Green would listen to him. Milne is the complete opposite.


Pyne? COmmunicates well?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  did you just throw his name in because you needed 3 from the Libs? He is by far the WORST communicator they have.
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