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Reply #315 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
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matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?


Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.



Christmas is being stolen by those pesky muslims too, don't forget.
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Reply #316 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:18pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
The mute button's a thing on Alan's producer's computer screen, Matty, but Alan also has a 12 second delay.

This means if you call up and mention the hommersexual topic, Alan's producer cuts to the Gloria theme song and an adbreak.

It sounds perfectly seamless and the audience have no idea someone's broached the unspeakable topic.

This is how Alan avoids bias on his show, you see.


How do you know this? I've only ever heard the Gloria song at the very start and end of his show.
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Reply #317 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:18pm
 
I agree, Aquascoot. These ABC types need media education in how to connect with the man in the street, with suburbia, and go to bathurst and sink piss with the boys. Yes, they need to go to the local bingo, or the local TAB and see how real australians think.

Unlike Piers, Bolt, Henderson, Albrechtson, Divine, etc, etc, etc.

They're in touch with the man in the street.
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Reply #318 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:23pm
 
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How do you know this? I've only ever heard the Gloria song at the very start and end of his show.


There you go, you see. Alan's entire show avoids bias - unlike the ridiculous so-called "our" ABC.
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Reply #319 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:26pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

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If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?
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Reply #320 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:18pm:
I agree, Aquascoot. These ABC types need media education in how to connect with the man in the street, with suburbia, and go to bathurst and sink piss with the boys. Yes, they need to go to the local bingo, or the local TAB and see how real australians think.

Unlike Piers, Bolt, Henderson, Albrechtson, Divine, etc, etc, etc.

They're in touch with the man in the street.

Yes. I want to see all politicians at the local TAB, playing trackside. Good idea.
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Reply #321 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:29pm
 
I don't know about Alan though, Alevine - especially in Bathurst.

People can be very mean to succesfull people like Alan.
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Reply #322 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:31pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?


Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.



Christmas is being stolen by those pesky muslims too, don't forget.


That's what Alan says too, Alevine. Do you know? I've never heard anyone on Q&A raise this topic. Not once.

It shows just how out of touch "our ABC" really is, I guess.

They should be in Bathurst for sure.
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Reply #323 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:35pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:16pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:53pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:35pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:11pm:
Look, Karnal, some of what you say is valid, but you seriously never thought that Gillard was patronising, and spoke like a primary school teacher at times? Many people think this, not just me. Both critics and supporters of hers thought this.


Not on Q&A, which I always watch.

Some of her early performances as PM, I think, were a struggle: "the real Julia". Some of her pre-recorded messages to camera I recall being very patronizing, but I can't remember now what they were about.

Rudd, by contrast, was an automaton. His media coaching was obvious in his erratic hand gestures. He wasn't bad in the pre-recorded talking head stuff though. He did quite well with a script.

Gillard was the reverse. She was brilliant on the fly - she was on top of her briefs, gave detailed responses, and demonstrated a deep awareness of the issues - particularly economic issues.

What let her performance down, however, was her monotone delivery. She didn't change speed or pitch when she talked - it all came out in one long line - paced, polished.

With Gillard, we saw very little thinking. Gillard had an answer for everything - she was never ruffled. In the media, she was always polite. Compare this to Abbott, who thinks, stops, starts, and thinks again. This is not necessarily a weakness in Abbott's thinking style, but it's a weakness in his speaking style.

Likewise with Gillard - her performance did not demonstrate an ability to make better decisions, but it was an incredible skill. It did make her appear rather controlled, but they're all controlled. Gillard was an intelligent, organized and commanding personality. She was a brilliant communicator. She may well make a good academic. The writing and columns I've read of Gillard's were also good, although I'm not sure whether staffers wrote them. 

Although Gillard never showed an interest in discussing theory as PM, she clearly knows it, particularly on International Relations and the economy. She knew leaders can't appear to be smarty-pants - that people want leaders to be straight on their level.

This is Abbott's challenge. He likes grappling with ideas, but can't be seen to be fleshing them out - which is exactly what he does. People expect leaders to have all the answers, which is most unfair. Look at Hockey - he does well at looking human and falible. It's one reason we like him.

But he'll never make PM.



I do understand your point and agree with much of what you say, but let's not pretend that Gillard was completely infallible when talking with others. She was patronising when that lady in a Brisbane shopping centre asked her why she broke her word. At first she was okay, but as the 'interview' went on, she did begin to become a bit patronising, and for some strange reason was touching the lady on the shoulder. I do agree that she both Rudd and Abbott can become a bit more flustered than she does, but Abbott has never really patronised anyone, he just fumbles more. As I daod, I wouldn't really rate any of the three as great communicators with the public, they all had their respective strengths and weaknesses. I do completely agree about Hockey.

My personal picks for communicating with the public would be Bishop, Turnbull, Pyne, Albanese and Wong. Strangely enough, even Brown was good. Many people who would never even consider voting Green would listen to him. Milne is the complete opposite.


Pyne? COmmunicates well? 


Definitely. Pyne's problems aren't with his Mercurial wit, they're with his inability to restrain himself.

If Chris Pyne could learn when to stop talking, he'd be a very effective performer.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #324 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:37pm
 
Quantum wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB


If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?


I wouldnt know if he was gay most prolly and who cares? Its not a religion and they wouldnt be pushing for everyone to be forced into their sexuality. Only concerns gays.

SOB
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Reply #325 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:39pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:37pm:
Quantum wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB


If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?


I wouldnt know if he was gay most prolly and who cares? Its not a religion and they wouldnt be pushing for everyone to be forced into their sexuality. Only concerns gays.

SOB


So you don't mind if people bring their personal life into decisions made in government?
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #326 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:41pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:13pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB


I think that basic Christian values and ethics always have their place in Australian politics.


What exactly are "basic xtian values"? (ive never met an xtian that has any truck with "ethics"). You mean the 10 silly unenforceable commandments? Before you go on about the "thou shalt not kill" that was around long before xtianity and look @ how we are killing ppl in afghanistan etc.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #327 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:53pm
 
Quantum wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:39pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:37pm:
Quantum wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:26pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:10pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:59pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:47pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm:
There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme.  There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.


You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.


Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion?  Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB


If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?


I wouldnt know if he was gay most prolly and who cares? Its not a religion and they wouldnt be pushing for everyone to be forced into their sexuality. Only concerns gays.

SOB


So you don't mind if people bring their personal life into decisions made in government?

you obviously don't.
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #328 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:55pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?


Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.



Christmas is being stolen by those pesky muslims too, don't forget.


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #329 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:56pm
 
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:17pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:12pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 4:02pm:
matty wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:57pm:
We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?


Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.



Christmas is being stolen by those pesky muslims too, don't forget.


What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

shows your extremism Smiley  derr
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