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Reply #345 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

I think that basic Christian values and ethics always have their place in Australian politics.

Why? Hardly anyone is a practising christian anymore. Time to shove that collection of guilt–inducing superstition into the rubbish bin and good riddance!

So says Monkey Boy the ignorant of one of the largest religions in the world. Roll Eyes

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Reply #346 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme. There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.

You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.

Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion? Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

SOB

If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?

I wouldnt know if he was gay most prolly and who cares? Its not a religion and they wouldnt be pushing for everyone to be forced into their sexuality. Only concerns gays.

SOB

So you don't mind if people bring their personal life into decisions made in government?

Just because this hypothetical person is gay (and we know about it) doesnt mean it influenced his decision about freedom and equality. Just because thats what you would do does not mean everyone else would.

So you would give him the benefit of the doubt. A gay person supporting gay marriage is not doing it because they are gay. Their homosexuality has not influenced their decision. Fine. So why do you assume that if a Christian doesn't support gay marriage it is because of their beliefs? Why no benefit of the doubt there?

Your double standards are appalling.

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What did i explain to you about projecting?

Nothing. You have never been able to explain anything in your entire life. All you do is make a bloody fool of your self with your "troll" and "projecting" BS.

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Reply #347 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:15pm

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:17pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:57pm:

We've been discussing this for three years, but okay, I will bite. How so?

because you're extreme right?

Why? Because I am a Christian and I oppose homosexual marriage?

By the way, if you looked, you would see that I have never denied that I am right, and proudly so. Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right.

Christmas is being stolen by those pesky muslims too, don't forget.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

shows your extremism

derr

Opposing extremist Muslims, homosexual marriage and being a Christian doesn't make someone a right-wing extremist.

By the way, how do you identify? Far-left, centre-left or in between?

center-left.

And you don't just oppose extremist muslims, you oppose all who aren't christian. Extreme right.

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Reply #348 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:17pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:53pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

So you don't mind if people bring their personal life into decisions made in government?

you obviously don't.

Do you? Do think that if the government was to make a decision on gay marriage that those who are gay should be disqualified from having a say?

I would say that if there was no community debate on the issue what so ever, then that person should not be trying to push the agenda based on their personal believes; especially on religious grounds, or sexual grounds. If there was a big community debate, and if people were largely in support of the issue, than I'd be more concerned with the religious nut jobs who tend to think their "personal morals based on their religion" are more important Grin

So if there is no community debate, a gay person shouldn't push the agenda (someone should have told bob that years ago. He is part of the reason why there is such a debate), but if there is a community debate, I guess that means the gay person gets a say?

actually what pushed the agenda was Howard's 2004 messing around to satisfy his bigoted ways.

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Reply #349 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:18pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 1:29pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 1:24pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:41am:

Oh god.... why do I have to keep repeating myself for you... read some bloody posts will you!!!!!

The gay marriage lobby do not want a plebiscite or as they call it a referendum of the issue.

I've already stated this and explained why... go fetch for the rest. Roll Eyes

But why should we have one? Is this not a decision that can be made by our representatives?

NO!!!!!
No no no no no.....
This is a big social change, if ya didn't realise.
This IMO requires the vote of the Australian people, not a handful of wannabies and career politicians, that don't represent me but their own vested interests.

Why is it a big social change?

Howard changed it in 2004 without a plebiscite...was it a huge social change then? Grin

How did I know you'd come out with this idiocy. Not a major change?????? You are kidding or hugely demented or just plain stupid.
BTW Howard merely clarified the status quo. That which has been for millenia.

right so reclarify the status quo again. No big change. It wasn't a big thing before 2004. It's not going to be a big thing again. Simple.

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Reply #350 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:21pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

So you would give him the benefit of the doubt. A gay person supporting gay marriage is not doing it because they are gay. Their homosexuality has not influenced their decision. Fine. So why do you assume that if a Christian doesn't support gay marriage it is because of their beliefs? Why no benefit of the doubt there?

Your double standards are appalling.

Of course give people benefit of the doubt. It's when they start using their personal beliefs in their explanation for why they oppose something that it becomes a massive problem.

It's the same as a gay person opposing on the basis of being gay. Or a fat person opposing on the basis of being fat. It's not about PERSONAL BELIEF. It's about representing what is in your people's best interest.

People can have their personal beliefs, but not make them part of a public debate about an issue, and instead use facts when debating about the issue. That's the point. And when religious nut jobs continually think they have authority on other's morals, then they need to get f**ked.

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Reply #352 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:49pm

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:23pm:

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How do you know this? I've only ever heard the Gloria song at the very start and end of his show.

There you go, you see. Alan's entire show avoids bias - unlike the ridiculous so-called "our" ABC.

I don't know what you're on about, but I'd be interested to know what your thoughts were of the way that Gillard spoke to that lady in a Brisbane shopping centre?

I think JuLiar’s body language was passive-aggressive.

However, if you read a transcript of the interraction, I think it would make sense.

The woman was hostile. I don’t know the best way to handle hostile voters. I have no advice on this.

I simply manage the talent, I don’t put words in their mouths.

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Reply #353 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:51pm

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:00pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:56pm:

Of course I am beyond centre-right, but that doesn't make me extreme-right

it doesn't matter what you think, it's how others see you. Cheesy

Like how myself and many others see Sale and Martin as left-wing?

Where does Leigh Sales ever offer up a view? I’ve only ever seen her ask questions.

Thoughts?

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Reply #354 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:55pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:05pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:13pm:

I think that basic Christian values and ethics always have their place in Australian politics.

Why? Hardly anyone is a practising christian anymore. Time to shove that collection of guilt–inducing superstition into the rubbish bin and good riddance!

So says Monkey Boy the ignorant of one of the largest religions in the world. Roll Eyes

Actually he may be onto something ... seeing as how the topic is about Australia, and numbers of practicing christians in Australia has been shown to be in decline, I think you may do well to pay attention

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96460	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #355 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:06pm Richard Moorcroft - leftard. Bill Peach - leftard. Molly Meldrum - leftard. All newsreaders - leftards. The ABC’s been a hotbed of leftism for years. Okay, Media Watch presenter, Paul Barry, just came out as a Liberal voter, but all the rest - leftards.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96460	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #356 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:09pm Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96460	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #357 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:10pm Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.
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Reply #358 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:15pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Richard Moorcroft - leftard. Bill Peach - leftard. Molly Meldrum - leftard. All newsreaders - leftards.

The ABC’s been a hotbed of leftism for years.

Okay, Media Watch presenter, Paul Barry, just came out as a Liberal voter, but all the rest - leftards.

I doubt Bill Beach was a leftard.

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Reply #359 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:16pm

Sparky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

Richard Moorcroft - leftard. Bill Peach - leftard. Molly Meldrum - leftard. All newsreaders - leftards.

The ABC’s been a hotbed of leftism for years.

Okay, Media Watch presenter, Paul Barry, just came out as a Liberal voter, but all the rest - leftards.

I doubt Bill Beach was a leftard.

I mean Peach. God I love beer!!

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