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Reply #390 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Oh and one more thing...
marriage is the union of a man and a woman...
this then excludes same sex unions.
It is against the rules in Soccer to handle the ball whilst it is in play unless you are the Goalkeeper. If you want to handle the ball you need to choose another game. Not that hard to understand, one would think.
You wish to change the accepted and traditional meaning of a term/word. One that has a very, very, very... long tradition and has stood for the same thing for millenia... and yes it will change society... apparently in ways you shortsighted people cannot even think of. Roll Eyes

You can always change the rules, as Howard did in 2004. And surprisingly no need for a plebiscite...

But you want to change society and traditions that are millenia old.
Say something that tells me you are not just an ignorant fool. That keeps posting the same rubbish again and again and again.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96460	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #391 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:54pm Some of my best friends are married, Grendel - not that there’s anything wrong with it.
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Reply #392 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:08am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

I assumed that you'd say that. I think that you're more than centre-left. You are the reverse of me, in between centre-left and far-left.

I believe in free enterprise, and believe that it is important to ensure a strong economy where businesses can grow and people can take individual responsibility for their own lives and the lives of people around them.

But I also believe that individuals can only become strong in a strong society. Which is why I believe that all people deserve rights to fundamentals, like education, hospitals, infrastructure (roads, public transport), safety. And these fundamentals must be of the strongest caliber possible, regardless of how much money a person has. In addition, a strong society must look after its weak, to ensure that they too can get themselves back up and obtain their individualism.

I don't believe in religion. I don't believe christmas is being stolen by muslims. I don't believe homosexuality will destroy everything. I don't believe asylum seekers are going to take over all of Australia and change my way of life.

If that makes me far-left then so be it.

this is where the left get it all wrong.
of course we should have equality of education health etc etc.
but the left want more than that.
if your a little bastard of a brat and call the teacher a c^nt. the left want you to be put in a class of 3 students. they want extra funding to give you a support teacher, they want to pour the resources into you.
the left always reward the people who do the wrong thing, they create honeypots that attract the scammers.
the bad backs on centrelink for life
the free needles for druggies whilst the working diabetic has to pay for it.
the free centrelink for queue jumpers whilst orchardists in the goulbourn valley hang themselves under crushing debt.
the left simply do not care about hard working battlers.
I'm rich , I'm a rightie, I care.
They dont.
If you arent one of their pet victim groups
If you are a 50 year old truckie who has fallen behind in his truck payments, whose wife has left him and who is depressed and alone, you can get f^^ked as far as the lefties are concerned.
No crocodile tears for you from SHY.
This is why the average suburban voter has deserted the left.
They dont feel like they are part of their agenda.
Their agenda is about squeaky wheels, show ponies, sooks and weak bastards.

and if they dont change , they deserve to stay in opposition forever Wink

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Reply #393 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:33am

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:39pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:37pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 4:10pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:59pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 2:18pm:

There have been a lot of replies since I last logged off, so if I have missed anyone's reply to me, I apologise.

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

Anyone who puts religion into politics, whether left or right, is extreme. There's a reason that religion should stay out of politics.

You're entitled to that opinion, and I am entitled to disagree.

Seriously? You think religion has a place in politics? Which religion? Yours i suppose - what about those that arent of your religion? Perhaps you should go live in afghanistan or pakistan. They have theocracies more to your liking.

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If a gay politician pushed for gay marriage, would you be ok with that?

I wouldnt know if he was gay most prolly and who cares? Its not a religion and they wouldnt be pushing for everyone to be forced into their sexuality. Only concerns gays.

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So you don't mind if people bring their personal life into decisions made in government?

Just because this hypothetical person is gay (and we know about it) doesnt mean it influenced his decision about freedom and equality. Just because thats what you would do does not mean everyone else would.

So you would give him the benefit of the doubt. A gay person supporting gay marriage is not doing it because they are gay. Their homosexuality has not influenced their decision. Fine. So why do you assume that if a Christian doesn't support gay marriage it is because of their beliefs? Why no benefit of the doubt there?

Your double standards are appalling.

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What did i explain to you about projecting?

Nothing. You have never been able to explain anything in your entire life. All you do is make a bloody fool of your self with your "troll" and "projecting" BS.

Where did i say that? Matty was saying he wanted religion in politics and he wants it to influence politics. Gawd you are thick.

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Reply #394 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:50pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:48pm:

How disgusting. Grendel is right.

These people are vile - they want to smear faeces on all decent people’s marriage vows everywhere.

Each and every bride and groom would have their heavenly bond tarnished. How selfish these people are - they want to bring the rest of us into the gutter with them.

The ABC has some some hard questions to answer for broadcasting the views of such hideous individuals.

Give me a break Karnal

Sure. You have a nice lie down and get some rest - you deserve it.

The institution of marriage is in good hands - for now.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

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Reply #395 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Where did i say that? Matty was saying he wanted religion in politics and he wants it to influence politics. Gawd you are thick.

Not in any of the quotes in that conversation. All he said was this;

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But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

He was just talking about his own worldview.

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Reply #396 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:38pm:

Oh and one more thing...
marriage is the union of a man and a woman...
this then excludes same sex unions.

Yes, well done. You've read the current Marriage Act 1961.

It states: "marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life."

That's taken from Act No. 12 of 1961 as amended, taking into account amendments up to Federal Circuit Court of Australia (Consequential Amendments) Act 2013. http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/C2013C00164

Did you notice those words: "amended" and "amendments"?

It means that the law has been changed.

Moreover, it can be changed again.

"An Act (existing law) can be amended to remove a perceived fault, correct a problem or omission, or to simply update it."

It happens all the time, Grendel.

http://www.peo.gov.au/learning/fact-sheets/amendments.html

And the amendment will be quite simple. So simple, that even you will be able to understand it: "marriage means the union of a man and a woman an adult and an adult to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life."

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96460	Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self. Reply #397 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:16pm I don't think that's fair, Greggery. Grendel was talking about soccer, not changing laws. Please don't spread lies and libel him - he's having a break.
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Reply #398 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

I assumed that you'd say that. I think that you're more than centre-left. You are the reverse of me, in between centre-left and far-left.

I believe in free enterprise, and believe that it is important to ensure a strong economy where businesses can grow and people can take individual responsibility for their own lives and the lives of people around them.

But I also believe that individuals can only become strong in a strong society. Which is why I believe that all people deserve rights to fundamentals, like education, hospitals, infrastructure (roads, public transport), safety. And these fundamentals must be of the strongest caliber possible, regardless of how much money a person has. In addition, a strong society must look after its weak, to ensure that they too can get themselves back up and obtain their individualism.

I don't believe in religion. I don't believe christmas is being stolen by muslims. I don't believe homosexuality will destroy everything. I don't believe asylum seekers are going to take over all of Australia and change my way of life.

If that makes me far-left then so be it.

this is where the left get it all wrong.
of course we should have equality of education health etc etc.
but the left want more than that.
if your a little bastard of a brat and call the teacher a c^nt. the left want you to be put in a class of 3 students. they want extra funding to give you a support teacher, they want to pour the resources into you.

No, dear, that's parents and teachers.

Brats, you see, don't vote.

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Reply #399 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:45pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

I don't think that's fair, Greggery. Grendel was talking about soccer, not changing laws.

Please don't spread lies and libel him - he's having a break.

Oh dear, I see what you mean.

Perhaps I should have gone with this:

"Since the introduction of first uniform football rules, there were considerable changes in football rules."

"There were no proper common rules before 1863 to govern the game and changes in football rules were frequent during those initial periods."

"Presented below are detailed timelines and the history of changes in football rules:"

http://www.soccerfootballrules.com/changesinfootballrules/

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

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Reply #400 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

aquascoot wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 8:15pm:

I assumed that you'd say that. I think that you're more than centre-left. You are the reverse of me, in between centre-left and far-left.

I believe in free enterprise, and believe that it is important to ensure a strong economy where businesses can grow and people can take individual responsibility for their own lives and the lives of people around them.

But I also believe that individuals can only become strong in a strong society. Which is why I believe that all people deserve rights to fundamentals, like education, hospitals, infrastructure (roads, public transport), safety. And these fundamentals must be of the strongest caliber possible, regardless of how much money a person has. In addition, a strong society must look after its weak, to ensure that they too can get themselves back up and obtain their individualism.

I don't believe in religion. I don't believe christmas is being stolen by muslims. I don't believe homosexuality will destroy everything. I don't believe asylum seekers are going to take over all of Australia and change my way of life.

If that makes me far-left then so be it.

this is where the left get it all wrong.
of course we should have equality of education health etc etc.
but the left want more than that.
if your a little bastard of a brat and call the teacher a c^nt. the left want you to be put in a class of 3 students. they want extra funding to give you a support teacher, they want to pour the resources into you.

No, dear, that's parents and teachers.

Brats, you see, don't vote.

i think parents who have taken the time and effort to ensure their kids arent brats , deserve for their children to have the same level of funding as the "brats" who get a support teacher each. To be honest, i'd pour the extra teachers into the gifted children and try and raise a few steve jobs and bill gates types.

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Reply #401 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Where did i say that? Matty was saying he wanted religion in politics and he wants it to influence politics. Gawd you are thick.

Not in any of the quotes in that conversation. All he said was this;

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But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

He was just talking about his own worldview.

Trolling again i see . . . . use a quote from a completely different conversation normal trolling tactic

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Reply #403 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 7:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

I don't think that's fair, Greggery. Grendel was talking about soccer, not changing laws.

Please don't spread lies and libel him - he's having a break.

Oh dear, I see what you mean.

Perhaps I should have gone with this:

"Since the introduction of first uniform football rules, there were considerable changes in football rules."

"There were no proper common rules before 1863 to govern the game and changes in football rules were frequent during those initial periods."

"Presented below are detailed timelines and the history of changes in football rules:"

http://www.soccerfootballrules.com/changesinfootballrules/

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

No worries. I’m sure Grendel will welcome the information. He loves facts.

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Reply #404 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 3:37pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:33am:

Where did i say that? Matty was saying he wanted religion in politics and he wants it to influence politics. Gawd you are thick.

Not in any of the quotes in that conversation. All he said was this;

Quote:

But in address to a few comments made about my own personal leanings, let me say that extremist-right and religious-right are not necessarily synonymous. I identify as the latter, but not the former.

He was just talking about his own worldview.

Trolling again i see . . . . use a quote from a completely different conversation normal trolling tactic

SOB

It was from that very conversation! Stop making up BS just to cover up the fact that you are, and always will be, a total smacking idiot.

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