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Reply #60 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:40pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%

The number don't make sense. It is too consistent every single week. There has to be more to it.

The ABC must regulate the audience to keep those proportions. It would not be possible to get a random group of about 150 people each week and to always get about the same percentage. If they do regulate it, then something is still up, because the response of the audience doesn't fit the make up of it claimed by the ABC. Either the numbers don't include guests (not those on the panel, but those invited by those on the panel who may make up a considerable number in the room) or people are just lying about their affiliation to get on the show.

if they didnt regulate it would you scream bias?

No. Regulating it is useless if it only creates a false statistic. During the little spat between the Greens and Labor last year there was a few occasions when the greeny ripped into both Labor and Liberal. The crowd erupted in applause. No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

My issue of bias comes from the fact that the last two years the show has essentially rotated around three topics; Refugees, Gay marriage, and Climate Change. No matter what the focus that night is supposed to be it always comes back to those three topics. Funnily enough it the three things the greens never shut up on. Now it is not that those three issues are not relevant to either Liberal or Labor, but there are more to those two parties, as well as more things of importance in Australia than those three issues. That is where the bias is. Not so much the people on the show, but the issues that are continuously addressed as if that is all that really matters. The way the crowd responds to those three issues is also out of touch with the temperature of the wider community. If that was all that matters Milne would be PM right now and Brown before her. Clearly most people think there is more to Australia and Government than supporting these three areas. But you wouldn't know that by the boos and cheers from the crowd on Q&A.

So nobody should applaud if they are on the other side of politics? Is that what you are saying? Perhaps it just sounded like it anyway. to you.

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You seem to have a habit of engaging with people who are - according to you - just "trolls". Is it worth me answering that question, or will you just reply with "go away troll" when you are once again shown to be wrong?

That is obviously a projection since it is you who does that. No its not worth answering because everyone knows the answer already.

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Reply #63 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

In addition, the audience was yet again stacked with lefties.

"Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3898590.htm

Puhlease we all know this is crap. The Uni students invited will say anything to get in especially those in the Socialist Alliance etc...
They've admitted to it many times before.

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Reply #64 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

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Reply #65 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

In addition, the audience was yet again stacked with lefties.

"Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3898590.htm

Puhlease we all know this is crap.

Can you substantiate that claim?

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Reply #66 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:59pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:04pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 11:10am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 10:46am:

Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%

The number don't make sense. It is too consistent every single week. There has to be more to it.

The ABC must regulate the audience to keep those proportions. It would not be possible to get a random group of about 150 people each week and to always get about the same percentage. If they do regulate it, then something is still up, because the response of the audience doesn't fit the make up of it claimed by the ABC. Either the numbers don't include guests (not those on the panel, but those invited by those on the panel who may make up a considerable number in the room) or people are just lying about their affiliation to get on the show.

if they didnt regulate it would you scream bias?

No. Regulating it is useless if it only creates a false statistic. During the little spat between the Greens and Labor last year there was a few occasions when the greeny ripped into both Labor and Liberal. The crowd erupted in applause. No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

My issue of bias comes from the fact that the last two years the show has essentially rotated around three topics; Refugees, Gay marriage, and Climate Change. No matter what the focus that night is supposed to be it always comes back to those three topics. Funnily enough it the three things the greens never shut up on. Now it is not that those three issues are not relevant to either Liberal or Labor, but there are more to those two parties, as well as more things of importance in Australia than those three issues. That is where the bias is. Not so much the people on the show, but the issues that are continuously addressed as if that is all that really matters. The way the crowd responds to those three issues is also out of touch with the temperature of the wider community. If that was all that matters Milne would be PM right now and Brown before her. Clearly most people think there is more to Australia and Government than supporting these three areas. But you wouldn't know that by the boos and cheers from the crowd on Q&A.

So nobody should applaud if they are on the other side of politics? Is that what you are saying? Perhaps it just sounded like it anyway. to you.

SOB

You seem to have a habit of engaging with people who are - according to you - just "trolls". Is it worth me answering that question, or will you just reply with "go away troll" when you are once again shown to be wrong?

That is obviously a projection since it is you who does that. No its not worth answering because everyone knows the answer already.

SOB

F*ck your a laugh. There are only a few things you are know for (none of them are good) and one of them is saying "go away troll". Now you have the hide to say I'm projecting and that it is myself who does that?!?!?!

That Brisbane water has some seriously good shlt in it doesn't it? Seen any unicorns riding rainbows lately? Did they have star trek uniforms on by any chance?

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #67 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attacks the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

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Reply #68 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attack the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

I always assumed they gave the audience survey cards before the show.

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Reply #69 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

In addition, the audience was yet again stacked with lefties.

"Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3898590.htm

Puhlease we all know this is crap.

Can you substantiate that claim?

can't you? Grin

just be wastin' my time if you already believe it is not stacked and not LW Prog biased... that self delusional.
But so you know, a year or so ago a girl from SA was on the afternoon GB show and stated such... they lie about their politics and stack the show.
Any fair minded person watching the audience would see it as the truth.

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Reply #70 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:12pm

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can't you? Grin

just be wastin' my time if you already believe it is not stacked and not LW Prog biased... that self delusional.
But so you know, a year or so ago a girl from SA was on the afternoon GB show and stated such... they lie about their politics and stack the show.
Any fair minded person watching the audience would see it as the truth. [/quote]

Actually is it a matter of the ABC stacking the show, or is it more a reflection of the political profile of the average ABC watcher.

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Reply #71 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attack the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

I always assumed they gave the audience survey cards before the show.

Perhaps. But virtually every week the numbers are;

Green 10%
Liberal 45%
Labor 35%

give or take a percent or two. It is simply too consistent each week for it to be a random sample of the public. There should be weeks of 1% greens or even 50% greens if it was just a random 150 or so people walking through the door. For it to be almost the same numbers each week suggest filtering who gets in for the week. If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

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Re: Q & A/ABC back to its usual biased self.
Reply #72 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attack the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

I always assumed they gave the audience survey cards before the show.

Perhaps. But virtually every week the numbers are;

Green 10%
Liberal 45%
Labor 35%

give or take a percent or two. It is simply too consistent each week for it to be a random sample of the public. There should be weeks of 1% greens or even 50% greens if it was just a random 150 or so people walking through the door. For it to be almost the same numbers each week suggest filtering who gets in for the week. If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has done a long term study of this.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #73 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:20pm

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:14pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:08pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Quantum wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 12:56pm:

No way was there only 10% greens in the room. It would be better to say nothing about political affiliation, but if they must have a count, then let it be what ever is. If there are 50% greens voters in the room, so be it. Better that then only allow 10% in and have the other 40% pretending to be Labor or Liberal voters just to get in the door. It is just a façade of political balance in the crowd where none exist.

Can you substantiate that claim?

The actions of the audience is proof enough. When someone in the crowd gets up and attacks the two big parties and talks up the greens, then there wouldn't be a roar of applause by a crowd made up of mostly liberal and Labor voters. You wouldn't here such deafening boos when someone attack the greens. 10% is a minority. The cheering and booing is simply too loud for such a minority group.

But all that is irrelevant to the real question. How do the ABC know how many are in the room? They make the claim, where is their proof?

I always assumed they gave the audience survey cards before the show.

Perhaps. But virtually every week the numbers are;

Green 10%
Liberal 45%
Labor 35%

give or take a percent or two. It is simply too consistent each week for it to be a random sample of the public. There should be weeks of 1% greens or even 50% greens if it was just a random 150 or so people walking through the door. For it to be almost the same numbers each week suggest filtering who gets in for the week. If they do indeed filter who gets in, then no doubt many will lie to make up the numbers.

There's nothing random about it.

Audience members have to register in order to get in.

As part of the registration, they're asked what party they would vote for.

It's no accident that the percentages are always pretty much the same.

http://www2b.abc.net.au/AudienceBooking/Client/AudienceRegistration.aspx

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Reply #74 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:22pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 1:51pm:

matty wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

In addition, the audience was yet again stacked with lefties.

"Audience: ALP 36%, Coalition 46%, Greens 10%"

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3898590.htm

Puhlease we all know this is crap.

Can you substantiate that claim?

can't you? Grin

just be wastin' my time if you already believe it is not stacked and not LW Prog biased... that self delusional.
But so you know, a year or so ago a girl from SA was on the afternoon GB show and stated such... they lie about their politics and stack the show.
Any fair minded person watching the audience would see it as the truth.

All you had to say was "no".

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