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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38580 Gender:	Fakes (including military, legal and whatever.) Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:28pm This was being tentatively discussed (off topic) on another Thread. What makes these blokes pretend to be what they aren't? What's the point? They know that any bonhomie they receive is not earned, and their guts ought to be churning worried that at any moment, they'll be outed. What goes with them?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Fake military men. Reply #1 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm Why single them out? For example, what about people who pretend to be lawyers?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38580 Gender:	Re: Fake military men. Reply #2 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:05pm ... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm: Why single them out? For example, what about people who pretend to be lawyers? Carry on then.
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Reply #3 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:22pm

I'd say it's shock leading to irrational behaviour. You don't have to see the main game to feel the effects of war is what I'm saying...

In this context I would say it's almost not that irrational: he feels like thanking the men who really fought and saw their mates die,.. or atleast discussing the issue firsthand with the men who went to simply understand this human political tragedy of actual warfare... what makes the concept of war tick sort of thing!!

He basically thought he was going undercover like a detective.. shock: leading to loss of contact with reality basically but It's almost expected that war can lead to strong behviours such as this I would have thought.

Huh

i dunno...

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Reply #4 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:37pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:22pm:

I'd say it's shock leading to irrational behaviour. You don't have to see the main game to feel the effects of war is what I'm saying...

In this context I would say it's almost not that irrational: he feels like thanking the men who really fought and saw their mates die,.. or atleast discussing the issue firsthand with the men who went to simply understand this human political tragedy of actual warfare... what makes the concept of war tick sort of thing!!

He basically thought he was going undercover like a detective.. shock: leading to loss of contact with reality basically but It's almost expected that war can lead to strong behviours such as this I would have thought.

Huh

i dunno...

I can relate to some of that. 1968 I think was the year when my ear was glued to the radio for that night's lottery to determine which date of the month of my birth for the year of my birth would be off to War. I was born on the 2nd. Number 1 came up, as did number 3. Next day, it was back to the usual business. Then, I noticed that some of my former classmates simply disappeared, and I later learned they had been conscripted. Dunno how they managed it, but they all survived.

I did not feel guilt. I did feel left out, and also relieved, but at no time did I ever even remotely consider a pretence that I had been part of it. Blaaaady hell.....if 'Aussie' ever turned up wearing medals and marching on Anzac Day, there'd be blokes all over me!

Just dumb.

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Reply #5 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:43pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Why single them out? For example, what about people who pretend to be lawyers?

Carry on then.

Or elite athletes?

What makes these blokes pretend to be what they aren't? What's the point? They know that any bonhomie they receive is not earned, and their guts ought to be churning worried that at any moment, they'll be outed.

Sorry forgot it was a quote.........

Wouldn't the thread be better entitled just.....FAKES......or maybe BULLSHITTERS?
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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Fake military men. Reply #6 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:46pm ... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm: Why single them out? For example, what about people who pretend to be lawyers? Both are illegal, but only one actuallly happens on a regular basis. Just sad friggen wanna-bees,
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Reply #7 - Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:49pm

viewpoint wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 3:05pm:

... wrote on Feb 5^th, 2014 at 2:56pm:

Why single them out? For example, what about people who pretend to be lawyers?

Carry on then.

Or elite athletes?

What makes these blokes pretend to be what they aren't? What's the point? They know that any bonhomie they receive is not earned, and their guts ought to be churning worried that at any moment, they'll be outed.

Sorry forgot it was a quote.........

Wouldn't the thread be better entitled just.....FAKES......or maybe BULLSHITTERS?
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Fixed.

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Reply #8 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:54am

People think they can be whoever they want online. The internet is an opportunity for the disillusioned to live out their fantasy lives. I don't understand the process of how being recognised for something that you are not can make people feel better about themselves - it would seem the opposite would be true. Wouldn't each person who was impressed by an untrue projection of one's self be like a magnifying mirror reflecting exactly what you didn't achieve? What you could/could've been, if you'd made different decisions? Sounds pretty torturous.

I wonder how many of us here on Ozpol would be up for an in person gathering. That is not a suggestion, merely a musing. I doubt it would be any. I have met one and can think of a few members I wouldn't mind meeting in person - Emma Peel and Pansi are two who come immediately to mind.

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Reply #9 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:56am

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

People think they can be whoever they want online. The internet is an opportunity for the disillusioned to live out their fantasy lives. I don't understand the process of how being recognised for something that you are not can make people feel better about themselves - it would seem the opposite would be true. Wouldn't each person who was impressed by an untrue projection of one's self be like a magnifying mirror reflecting exactly what you didn't achieve? What you could/could've been, if you'd made different decisions? Sounds pretty torturous.

I wonder how many of us here on Ozpol would be up for an in person gathering. That is not a suggestion, merely a musing. I doubt it would be any. I have met one and can think of a few members I wouldn't mind meeting in person - Emma Peel and Pansi are two who come immediately to mind.

On the old ABC self science forum, we used to have meetings all the time. Some people are what you expect, others arent.

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Reply #10 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:20am

The internet allows people to be fake, but it also allows them to be who they wish they were. Ozpolitics is a classic case. I bet most here wish they were in a position of power to be able to influence policies.

I dont see anything wrong with that. Its an outlet to a side of your personality. It doesnt define the whole of you.

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Reply #11 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:45am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

I bet most here wish they were in a position of power to be able to influence policies.

I'm sure a lot of us do. We hope our message can sink in to people who aren't sure who they want to vote for at the next election.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 9:54am:

People think they can be whoever they want online. The internet is an opportunity for the disillusioned to live out their fantasy lives. I don't understand the process of how being recognised for something that you are not can make people feel better about themselves - it would seem the opposite would be true. Wouldn't each person who was impressed by an untrue projection of one's self be like a magnifying mirror reflecting exactly what you didn't achieve? What you could/could've been, if you'd made different decisions? Sounds pretty torturous.

Maybe it might apply to one or two members, but overall the people here seem pretty genuine and convincing enough to believe that they are being themselves.

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Reply #12 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:02pm

My discussions with "progressives" offline are close to the ones I have online. The same slogans are used when you disagree with them: bigot, xeneophobe, homophobe, racist, sexist etc. etc. and they're highly emotional about their politics. So in that sense I'd say most of the "progressives" on ozpolitic are genuine.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95479 Gender:	Re: Fakes (including military, legal and whatever.) Reply #13 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:42pm At ease, Mist. This thread’s about choccos. You work at the uni. You ever want to research real men, just ask.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Fakes (including military, legal and whatever.) Reply #14 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 8:37pm Quite apt you comment on a thread about military fakes.
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