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Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:41am
 
Abbott's women-hating Catholics at it again:

Murder trial witness says he heard 'deranged scream' and looked up to see  man drop ballerina to her death from 15th floor balcony


*Neighbours allegedly heard her scream 'please help me God' before fall
*Witness says he saw man drop black object from balcony and 'fist-pump'


...Gittany, 37, murdered his Canadian born fiance after an argument on the night of July 30, 2011.

CCTV footage has shown Miss Harnum screaming as she left the front door of the apartment on the day of her death, before Gittany allegedly reached around her head, put his hand over her mouth and brought her back inside.

The 30-year-old's terrifying last moments were captured on a pin-hole camera Gittany set up to spy on her every move, the court heard...

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Gittany was so jealous, Mr Tedeschi claimed, that he had banned her from seeing friends, forbade her from taking a job as a hairdresser and even hired a personal trainer to come to their home so she wouldn't go to the gym where he thought she would be ogled by other men...

...Describing Gittany as 'controlling and abusive', Tedeschi said he made her become Catholic, do her hair and dress exactly how he told her.

'[He believed] it was her function in life to submit to his will as the male in the relationship,' Mr Tedeschi said.

But his vice-like grip over her life was still not enough, the court heard. Mr Tedeschi told jurors Gittany even set up a network of mini cameras around the apartment to keep tabs on her and secretly read her emails and text messages...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2474748/Witness-tells-trial-controlling-Simon-Gittany-accused-throwing-fianc-Lisa-Harnum-death.html
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:57am
 
Simon Gittany guilty of murdering fiancee Lisa Harnum


...Damning assessment of Gittany's character


...In her summing up, Justice McCallum said she did not believe Gittany's account of how Ms Harnum fell to her death.

Justice McCallum gave a damning assessment of Gittany's character.

"There can be no doubt the accused was controlling, dominating and at times abusive of Ms Harnum," she told the packed Supreme Court in Sydney on Wednesday.

"The force of his jealous and controlling personality met mixed reaction from Ms Harmum, who was at times defiant and at times submissive to an inexplicable degree.

"By the end of July 2011, these tensions had reached a point of crisis.

"By 6am on the morning of her death, Ms Harnum was "in a state of absolute fear and despair", Justice McCallum said.

Justice McCallum found Gittany reacted with "nothing short of rage" when he discovered Ms Harnum had secretly put some of her possessions in storage.

"For all his vigilance, his errant fiancee had found a way to secretly remove her belongings," the judge said.

She said she accepted Ms Harnum's mother's evidence that in their last ever phone conversation, Ms Harnum was "frantic", fearful and told her mother to contact her counsellor "if something happens to me".

Justice McCallum said she did not believe Mr Gittany's account of how Ms Harnum fell to her death.

"It's difficult to articulate my impression of that evidence except that I found him unconvincing," she said.

After dragging Ms Harnum screaming back into the apartment, Mr Gittany said she sat on the lounge while he went to make a cup of tea before she suddenly ran for the balcony.

'Accused struck me as being a person playing a role'

"At many times in his evidence, the accused struck me as being a person playing a role, telling a story which fitted with the objective evidence but which did no more than that," Justice McCallum said...

..."His account of what happened appeared to exist on borrowed detail.
"It lacked originality and the subtlety of actual experience."...

...Justice McCallum told the court: "The circumstances of Lisa Harnum's death were shocking and tragic."...

...Abusive and controlling behaviour: evidence

The dramatic three-week trial heard evidence that, despite professing his love for Ms Harnum, Gittany had subjected her to months of abusive and controlling behaviour, including keeping her under near-constant surveillance.

Justice McCallum, hearing the trial without a jury, was told that Gittany had convinced the young woman to change her style of dress completely, convert to Catholicism and leave her job at a hairdressing salon because the staff there were "polluting her mind".

He demanded to know where she was at all times, forbidding her from seeing her friends or doing anything that might involve coming into direct contact with other men.

"Please don't let any guy talk to you today … don't look at any guy as your eyes should only gaze on me, the one," Gittany told his fiancee in a text message.

Another text screamed: "Who the f--- do you think you are walking around the house like you own it or coming and going without my permission?"

Gittany monitored Ms Harnum with security cameras hidden in their apartment, and a computer program that tracked her text messages.

The court heard that in the weeks before her death Ms Harnum began planning her escape, leaving a bag of clothes with her counsellor, Michelle Richmond.

"He had said if she left him, she would be deported ... that she would leave with nothing, just as she had come, even her underwear," Ms Richmond told the court.

But Gittany became aware of the secret plan, telling Ms Richmond in an abusive phone call: "I'll f----n harm you.' "

It was the Crown case that, in the hours before her death, Ms Harnum discovered that she was under surveillance and made a desperate attempt to flee.

One of Gittany's own CCTV cameras recorded him grabbing Ms Harnum and, with one hand around her mouth, dragging her back into the apartment as she tried to escape.

Sixty-nine seconds later, she was dead, plunging 15 storeys to the footpath below.

Scrawled on a scrap of paper in her pocket were the words "there are surveillance cameras inside and outside the house".

Mr Rathmell, an ABC News producer, caught a glimpse of the murder as he was walking to work.

He saw a man "unload" what he thought was "luggage" off the 15th-floor balcony, before dashing back inside.

This contradicted Gittany's claim that, far from killing Ms Harnum, she had climbed over the balcony when he confronted her about a "secret" she had refused to divulge and then told her to leave...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/simon-gittany-guilty-of-murdering-fiancee-lisa-harnum-20131127-2y9sr.html
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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:03am
 
Welcome back true colors.
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:08am
 
This is a pretty interesting case, but not becasue of any rleigious reason.
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Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:14am
 
... wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:08am:
This is a pretty interesting case, but not becasue of any rleigious reason. 


got to admit, gittanys new gf is a stunner.
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:18am
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:14am:
... wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:08am:
This is a pretty interesting case, but not becasue of any rleigious reason. 


got to admit, gittanys new gf is a stunner.


Yes, and his old one wasn't bad either.

That's why I find it interesting - it proves that hot girls love assholes.  Even (or perhaps epecially) murderous ones.
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:25am
 
... wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:18am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:14am:
... wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:08am:
This is a pretty interesting case, but not becasue of any rleigious reason. 


got to admit, gittanys new gf is a stunner.


Yes, and his old one wasn't bad either.

That's why I find it interesting - it proves that hot girls love assholes.  Even (or perhaps epecially) murderous ones. 


pity he wont be getting any asshole for 20 years.

But its interesting with hot girls and guys.

I had to visit my mate in a prison few years ago and some of the inmates gf/wives where just hot.
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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:51am
 
True Colours wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:41am:

Abbott's women-hating Catholics at it again:




Murder trial witness says he heard 'deranged scream' and looked up to see  man drop ballerina to her death from 15th floor balcony


......Gittany was so jealous, Mr Tedeschi claimed, that he had banned her from seeing friends, forbade her from taking a job as a hairdresser and even hired a personal trainer to come to their home so she wouldn't go to the gym......

...Describing Gittany as 'controlling and abusive', Tedeschi said he [b]made her become Catholic
, do her hair and dress exactly how he told her.

'[He believed] it was her function in life to submit to his will as the male in the relationship,' Mr Tedeschi said.





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Abbott's women-hating Catholics at it again:




True_Colours,

Are you sure that Simon Gittany's BEHAVIOUR defines him as a Catholic ???




True_Colours,

What is the difference between the way that Simon Gittany treated his girlfriend, and the way that ISLAM prescribes for moslems to treat to control their wives ?


Quote:

"There can be no doubt the accused was controlling, dominating and at times abusive of Ms Harnum,"






Controlling, dominating, and abusive ?

Google;
wife must not leave house without permission of husband, fiqh

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.34




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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #1


The Koran [Allah] instructs moslems to beat disobedient wives, but ever so lightly.

And you know, don't you, that moslem men do beat their wives,...ever so lightly.

"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
Koran 4.34


Actually, i have read somewhere, that the 'clarifying' insertion "(lightly)", DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE ARABIC KORAN.

And that this 'insertion' is [has been] added in some English translations of the Koran - to mislead those readers of the English translation of the Koran, one can only assume.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #2

IMO, within ISLAM, women have the status of cattle or 'fields'.

The Koran [i.e. Allah] states that the woman, the wife, has the status of a field [of earth, 'tilth'].

And her husband may use her [plough her] as he wishes ['how ye will'].

And remember that every word in the Koran, has the sanctity of coming directly from Allah himself.

And remember also, that Allah is never wrong, mistaken.


"Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah. And know that ye are to meet Him (in the Hereafter), and give (these) good tidings to those who believe."
Koran 2.223

Dictionary;
tilth = = cultivation of land; tillage.



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THE 'RIGHTS'(?) OF WOMEN IN ISLAM e.g. #3

Under ISLAMIC inheritance law.
Any daughter receives 1/2 the entitlement of any male heir.
e.g.
Where there is a son, and a daughter, to inherit an estate.
The estate is divided into 3 parts.
The son receives 2 parts.
The daughter receives 1 part.

"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half...."
Koran 4.11





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
The difference between Christ and muhammad / allah on the treatment of women is:

Bible: Quote:
John 8:3  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

John 8:4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

John 8:5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

John 8:6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

John 8:7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,
He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her


Christianity = Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have:
qur'an: Quote:
qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


islam = allah / muhammad symbolize forced prostitution / rape and death
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:07pm
 
You guys have got it backward.

Men are not like that because of religion.

Religion is like that because men are.
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Reply #10 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:18pm
 
... wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:07pm:

You guys have got it backward.

Men are not like that because of religion.

Religion is like that because men are [
like that
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honky,

You are pretty close to 'the bones' of the issue there, imo !

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #11 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 2:22pm
 


Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
19  Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.



Ephesians 5:22
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
23  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
24  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
25  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
27  That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
28  So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #12 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:13pm
 
Honky wrote: Quote:
Religion is like that because men are.


You got it in one Honky.

Men are the authors of the Bible and the qur'an.

Some very important differences in the writing of either book are:

The Bible was written over a period of about Fifteen Hundred Years.

The Bible was written by over forty different authors.

The Bible is written in a variety of literary forms e.g.: letters, sermons, law, poetic descriptions, narratives of historical events, prayer, praise, practical sayings, and the predictions of prophets.

The books of the Bible were composed upon three different continents - Africa, Asia, and Europe. For example, the writings of Ezekiel were composed in Babylon (Asia); Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible in the Sinai desert (Africa); and the Apostle Paul wrote the letter to Philippi while in Rome (Europe).

The original Bible was written in three different languages. The Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew with some parts being composed in Aramaic - a language similar to Hebrew. The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

Because the Bible was written over a period of fifteen hundred years most of the writers did not personally know the other writers of Scripture. In addition, the Old Testament authors would have been unfamiliar with the New Testament writings. (yet there is a unity of the spiritual message between all of them)

The authors were all inspired by their own personal state of being, which they believed was driven by the spirit of righteousness.

On the whole they were all good men, not hungering after an iniquitous way of life, but they were men, and no man is perfect.

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Now to the qur'an:

It is has one single author, muhammad.

A proven thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer,

He also preached, inspired by his own personal state of being, which he believed was the perfect spiritual way.

Therefore the qur'an turned out to be a handbook to commit the most evil, foulest atrocities against your fellow man.

This is the worthy way for muslims, commit the most inhumane atrocity imaginable against a non muslim, and you get your big breasted houris, little boys with eyes like pearls in allah's paradise.

The actions of muslims around the globe attest to the evilness of islam / allah / muhammad / qur'an.
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Reply #13 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:18pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:13pm:
On the whole they were all good men, not hungering after an iniquitous way of life,


Are you taking the piss? Pick an Old Testament character, and 9/10 times they do things that nowadays would get you a life sentence. 

Even Paul the apostle, author of most of the new testament was a mass murderer.
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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #14 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 
A catholic kills his girlfriend so he will be thrown in jail.

If a muslim does a honour killing they get let off in Islamic parts of the world, muslims always mention the superior morality in Islam.

www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/04/afghanistan-law-victims-violence-women
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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