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Reply #15 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm

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Are you taking the piss? Pick an Old Testament character, and 9/10 times they do things that nowadays would get you a life sentence.

Exactly, they did things that were accepted by civilization, in their day over 3000 years ago.

Why do you think I keep reminding you that the Old Testament Law was discarded according to the New Testament, just on 2014 years ago?

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

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Even Paul the apostle, author of most of the new testament was a mass murderer.

Wasn't that before he was enlightened, completely changed his ways and became a Christian?

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Reply #16 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Actually, I have never made excuses for extremism. Check my post history if you can be bothered. And as two current Christian posters have clearly demonstrated, not everyone agrees that the old testament law should be done away with.

For the record I agree with you on the role of blatant evildoing having no part in religion.

I still maintain that they were not "ggod men" as you said. Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, Samson stuffed up his mission and killed thousands of people, David cheated on his wife and used his army for his personal vendetta, Solomon had several hundred wives.

I could go on.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #17 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

Gittany's Catholicism kept getting him off the hook until he killed:

Revealed: murderer Simon Gittany's history of violence

SIMON Gittany, who was yesterday found guilty of killing his fiancee Lisa Harnum, is the target of a new police investigation over business dealings he conducted with two methylamphetamine producers while defending the murder charge.

The Australian can now reveal the NSW drugs squad is investigating a series of suspicious payments between Gittany, who is also a convicted drug dealer, and Jamie Shaun Hijniakoff, 25, and British-born Christopher Stephen Jacques, 38 who have pleaded guilty to producing meth in a secret laboratory northwest of Sydney in 2011.

Gittany's violent criminal history can also be revealed, including how he partially bit off a policeman's ear while trying to evade arrest in 1994, and his bizarre plot to escape weekend detention in 2003 by jabbing himself with a syringe of hepatitis-infected blood.

Despite a string of violent offences, Gittany was never sentenced to full-time jail. He received periodic detention largely because of his conversion to Catholicism and stated desire to enter a seminary in France and ultimately be ordained a priest... Huh

...With the murder trial now complete The Australian can report that while defending the murder charge, Gittany was an equal partner in a company known as Chemright, alongside self-confessed drug manufacturers Hijniakoff and Jacques.

The pair in February pleaded guilty to producing a commercial quantity of 3,4 methylenedioxyamphetamine - also known as Mandy, Sass or MDA - in a metal shed on a rural rental property at Tennyson, in the Hawkesbury region of NSW.

Police installed secret cameras in the laboratory while the pair were in China and subsequently captured footage of them producing the drug before raiding the property on August 8, 2011, a prosecution statement of facts read.

Company documents reveal Gittany, Jacques and Hijniakoff each controlled a one-third stake in Chemright when it was registered in May last year. It was deregistered ahead of the trial in July this year...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/revealed-murderer-simon-gittanys-history-of-violence/story-e6frg6nf-1226770042049#

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Reply #18 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:17pm

Simon Gittany went from unemployed petty criminal who bit policeman's ear to a business high-flyer

In two decades Simon Gittany has gone from an unemployed petty crim biting police officers and living at home with his mother in Sydney's western suburbs to high-flying businessman who became an obsessive murderer.
The shoe importer had been living the life of a high-flyer in a deluxe inner-city apartment but Fairfax Media can reveal that his trial for murder was not the first time the 38-year-old had been in trouble with the law.

After a number of run-ins with police during his teenage years, Gittany was sentenced to 2½ years' periodic detention in 1995 after he bit the ear of a senior detective who was trying to arrest him over stolen goods.

Gittany was caught out the back of Lucky Lil's Tavern in Parramatta about 5.30 one morning in August 1993 with a number of items in his car. They included video recorders, a TV, a car stereo, a mobile phone, aftershave, a couple of gold rings and an orange and black bikini.
When police asked where he had got the items, he said he and two others had bought the goods from someone in the pub for $200.

Detectives later discovered all the items had been taken from a woman living in nearby Harris Park. When police went to Gittany's family home in March the next year, the then 20-year-old became violent when they tried to arrest him.
He bit the ear of Detective Senior Constable Keith Bristow, severing it, and also attacked Constable David Burgess...

...In 2000, Gittany was in trouble again - this time in relation to drugs supply charges. He was found guilty in the NSW District Court and sentenced to three years' periodic detention until August 2004.

Detective Senior Constable Keith Bristow who had his ear bitten by Simon Gittany during an arrest in 1994.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/simon-gittany-went-from-unemployed-petty-criminal-who-bit-policemans-ear-to-a-business-highflyer-20131127-2yagm.html

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Reply #19 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 5:24pm

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

Why do you think I keep reminding you that the Old Testament Law was discarded according to the New Testament, just on 2014 years ago?

“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the way of the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily, I say unto you: 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."
- Matthew 5:17-8

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

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Even Paul the apostle, author of most of the new testament was a mass murderer.

Wasn't that before he was enlightened, completely changed his ways and became a Christian?

Paul invented Christianity, after he himself admitted to being a real cad who had persecuted the real followers of Jesus.

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Reply #20 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:03pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

True_Colours,

Are you sure that Simon Gittany's BEHAVIOUR defines him as a Catholic ???

Yes, Catholicism teaches that a man's relationship to his woman is almost god-like and has complete authority over her. It is not bullying it is just the Catholic way:

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing."
-Ephesians 5:22-4

The Bible teaches disrespect for women. Look at the way it portrays Jesus speaking to his own mother:

"And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there: And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, 'They have no wine.' Jesus said unto her, 'Woman, what have I to do with thee?'" Shocked

- John 2:1-4

The following verse in Catholicism's holy book tells you the status of women according to Catholicism's founder Paul:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent." Shocked

- 1 Timothy 2:12

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend Reply #21 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 6:09pm Come to think of it this guy kind of reminds me of another religious Catholic fellow: Mel Gibson: ‘I want to f— her (Oksana) in the a– and stab her to death while I’m doing it.’
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Reply #22 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

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“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the way of the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily, I say unto you: 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."- Matthew 5:17-8

It has been done to death T.C.

Christ said He came to fulfill the law.

Fulfill means:
To complete successfully. To bring to a successful conclusion

If something is completed successfully, brought to a successful conclusion, it is finalized / finished

As written in the New Testament.

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Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

You will never be able to justify / excuse / exonerate the evil committed by islam / muslims today 2014, with Old Testament Laws.

2014 years ago Christians divested themselves of the O.T. Law

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend Reply #23 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:24pm Mel gibson is cool. I would habe thought you'd like him too, since his only crime is running afoul of Jews.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend Reply #24 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:33pm ... wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:24pm: Mel gibson is cool. I would habe thought you'd like him too, since his only crime is running afoul of Jews. Wasn't he caught drink driving?
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Reply #25 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:43pm

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

True Colours wrote: Quote:

“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the way of the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily, I say unto you: 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished."- Matthew 5:17-8

It has been done to death T.C.

Christ said He came to fulfill the law.

Fulfill means:
To complete successfully. To bring to a successful conclusion

If something is completed successfully, brought to a successful conclusion, it is finalized / finished

I suggest that you look closely at what the Bible says are Jesus' own words:

'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law'

What does 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away' mean? Could it mean anything other than until the Day of Judgement?

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Reply #26 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:57pm

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

What does the very next verse say?

But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the law to drop out.
- Luke 16:17

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

2014 years ago Christians divested themselves of the O.T. Law

Not true. Paul - who invented Christianity - never met Jesus and started teaching that rubbish after Jesus' time. 2014 years ago is at least 35 years before Paul went around inventing Christianity, and 300 years before the ideology of Paul was adopted by the Roman Government (instead of the teachings of Jesus), and the people of Europe were forced to join the religion of Paul.

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gizmo_2655 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16010 South West NSW Gender:	Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend Reply #27 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:24pm So what religion did the guy convert FROM, to become Catholic?
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Reply #28 - Feb 6^th, 2014 at 11:38pm

True Colours wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:57pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

What does the very next verse say?

But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the law to drop out.
- Luke 16:17

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

2014 years ago Christians divested themselves of the O.T. Law

Not true. Paul - who invented Christianity - never met Jesus and started teaching that rubbish after Jesus' time. 2014 years ago is at least 35 years before Paul went around inventing Christianity, and 300 years before the ideology of Paul was adopted by the Roman Government (instead of the teachings of Jesus), and the people of Europe were forced to join the religion of Paul.

Well not entirely true TC, it was Simon (the Apostle Peter) who apparently started Christianity, Paul was just one of the more vocal, and prolific (in terms of writing) of the early converts.

And, according to the stories, Paul went to Jerusalem 3 years after his conversion, and met with both Peter and James, tow of the original Apostles.

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend Reply #29 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:35am Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:18pm: moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:13pm: On the whole they were all good men, not hungering after an iniquitous way of life, Even Paul the apostle, author of most of the new testament was a mass murderer. Prove it.
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