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Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend
Reply #30 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44am

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, I could go on.

How could they when neither existed?

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Reply #31 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 11:21am

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Actually, I have never made excuses for extremism. Check my post history if you can be bothered. And as two current Christian posters have clearly demonstrated, not everyone agrees that the old testament law should be done away with.

For the record I agree with you on the role of blatant evildoing having no part in religion.

I still maintain that they were not "ggod men" as you said. Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, Samson stuffed up his mission and killed thousands of people, David cheated on his wife and used his army for his personal vendetta, Solomon had several hundred wives.

I could go on.

Don't you love it when lying hypocrites shoot themselves in the foot.
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how soon some forget.

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Reply #32 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 11:28am

Adamant wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, I could go on.

How could they when neither existed?

How do you know paul wasn't a murderer?

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Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 11:30am

Adamant wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, I could go on.

How could they when neither existed?

Pharoah is dead in a Egyptian museum with evidence of salt drowning which strongly indicates that he did drown as moses has said.

What you going to say next, pharaoh doesn't exist.

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Reply #34 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 2:11pm

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I suggest that you look closely at what the Bible says are Jesus' own words:

'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law'

What does 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away' mean? Could it mean anything other than until the Day of Judgement?

Well T.C. disingenuousness will get you nowhere, why did you deliberately leave out the last four words of Matthew 5:18? Those words are till all be fulfilled

The complete verse reads:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So in plain english it seems pretty clear that Jesus said the law will not pass away, untill it has been fulfilled.

He also stated that He came to fulfill the law.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

So why the deceit T.C.?

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What does the very next verse say?

But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter in the law to drop out. - Luke 16:17

Well that seems pretty clear also.

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Again Christ is saying that the law was untill the time of John and the law will not fail.

In order to positively state the Law will not fail, you would have to be also be positively certain that the law would be concluded successfully. (one mistake means the law failed)

Christ stated that He came to fulfill the law.

Fulfill means: to complete successfully, bring to a successful conclusion.

Therefore Luke 16:16, Luke 16:17, are in unity of spirit with the teachings of Matthew 5:17, Matthew 5:18

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Not true. Paul - who invented Christianity - never met Jesus and started teaching that rubbish after Jesus' time. 2014 years ago is at least 35 years before Paul went around inventing Christianity, and 300 years before the ideology of Paul was adopted by the Roman Government (instead of the teachings of Jesus), and the people of Europe were forced to join the religion of Paul.

Christ spoke the words that the law would not pass away until it was fulfilled.

Christ spoke the words that He would fulfill the law.

So yes 2014 years ago Christ fulfilled (successfully concluded) the law.

Therefore Christians began their justification by Faith in Christ and not the deeds of the Law 2014 years ago

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Re: Catholic Convert Kills Girlfriend
Reply #35 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:00pm

wally1 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Adamant wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, I could go on.

How could they when neither existed?

How do you know paul wasn't a murderer?

Prove it!

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Reply #37 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:16pm

Adamant wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:00pm:

wally1 wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Adamant wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 12:44am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:50pm:

moses wrote on Feb 6^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

You are the one who keeps bringing up the Old Testament as your exonerations for the barbarity of modern day islam

Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, I could go on.

How could they when neither existed?

How do you know paul wasn't a murderer?

Prove it!

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Reply #38 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:23pm

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I still maintain that they were not "ggod men" as you said. Moses was a murderer, Abraham was willing to murder his son for God, Samson stuffed up his mission and killed thousands of people, David cheated on his wife and used his army for his personal vendetta, Solomon had several hundred wives.

I could go on.

Why the misrepresentation of what I said Stratos?

my words were:
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The authors were all inspired by their own personal state of being, which they believed was driven by the spirit of righteousness.

On the whole they were all good men, not hungering after an iniquitous way of life, but they were men, and no man is perfect.

I was clearly talking about the forty odd different authors of the Bible, I stated that "On the whole they were all good men".

You have gone off on a false tangent about the characters of the Bible, not the writers.

Of the 40 odd authors how many do you think weren't trying to do the right thing?

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Reply #39 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 7:10pm

I reread the post Moses, and see you were referring to the authors. Sorry I got confused and thought you were talking about the characters.

moses wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 6:23pm:

Of the 40 odd authors how many do you think weren't trying to do the right thing?

Honestly I have no idea. It is worth noting that some of the Bible authors did also appear in scripture. Moses, David, Solomon, Paul all allegedly wrote parts of the bible

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #40 - Feb 7^th, 2014 at 8:12pm

moses wrote on Feb 7^th, 2014 at 2:11pm:

True Colours wrote:

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I suggest that you look closely at what the Bible says are Jesus' own words:

'Till Heaven and Earth pass away, not one jot or one speck shall in no way pass away from the law'

What does 'Till Heaven and Earth pass away' mean? Could it mean anything other than until the Day of Judgement?

Well T.C. disingenuousness will get you nowhere, why did you deliberately leave out the last four words of Matthew 5:18? Those words are till all be fulfilled

The complete verse reads:

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, [b]till all be fulfilled.[/b...

'Till all be fulfilled' is obviously a reference to the Day of Judgement as is the passing of Heaven and Earth.

How can 'all be fulfilled' before the Day of Judgement?

The Bible says that Jesus was not around to abolish the law:

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets."
- Matthew 5:17

If Jesus did not abolish the law, then who did? The answer is that the cretin named Paul invented a new religion.

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Reply #41 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:49am

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Honestly I have no idea. It is worth noting that some of the Bible authors did also appear in scripture. Moses, David, Solomon, Paul all allegedly wrote parts of the bible

I agree and I also think that a lot of the preachings of these men reflected their own personal inner being, which they considered to be the Spirit of Righteousness.

That very logic explains why islam is so evil, it is the thoughts / beliefs of muhammad, he is recorded as a thief, liar, sexual deviate, rapist, torturer and mass murderer.

The Bible has over 40 authors over 1500 years, spread across three continents.

The words of the qur'an are the sole conception of muhammad, consequently it is nothing more than motivation to commit the most evil deeds imaginable, in the true spirit of the psychopath muhammad. (he was illiterate he did not write the words he only spoke them)

muslims believe it is the direct word of allah, muhammad told them so, they kill people who disagree with their philosophy without blinking an eye, in fact they enjoy it (today 2014). (allah is supposed to have a copy of the qur'an himself)

There is absolutely no comparison between the two books, I am convinced that the qur'an is evil in content and intent.

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Reply #42 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:52am

True Colours wrote:
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'Till all be fulfilled' is obviously a reference to the Day of Judgement as is the passing of Heaven and Earth.

How can 'all be fulfilled' before the Day of Judgement?

The Bible says that Jesus was not around to abolish the law:

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets."
- Matthew 5:17

If Jesus did not abolish the law, then who did? The answer is that the cretin named Paul invented a new religion.

It's no good asking your local imam to interpret the Bible T.C. (he's like muhammad, has no idea)

I notice you again used deceit to leave out the last four words of Matthew 5:17. Why are you afraid of these four words T.C.?

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Christian spiritual message is: Christ fulfilled (brought to a successful conclusion) the law, His sacrifice on the cross was the final blood sacrifice of the law.

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Reply #43 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 11:32am

moses wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:52am:

True Colours wrote:
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The Christian spiritual message is: Christ fulfilled (brought to a successful conclusion) the law, His sacrifice on the cross was the final blood sacrifice of the law.

Jesus was not crucified. Jesus alludes to this when he tells the Jews that they will not be able to catch him:

Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and [then] I go unto him (God) that sent me. Ye shall seek me, and shall not find [me]: and where I am, [thither] ye cannot come. Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? What [manner of] saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find [me]: and where I am, [thither] ye cannot come?
- John 7:33-36

For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you.
And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”
- Luke 4:10-1

"the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone."
- Matthew 4:6

See, my servant will act wisely ; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.
- Isaiah 52:13

Now I know that the Lord saves his anointed king. He answers him from his holy heaven. The power of God's right hand saves the king.
- Psalms 20:6

He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust." Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day...A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you...If you make the Most High your dwelling— even the LORD, who is my refuge - then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone..."Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."
- Psalm 91

"That they (Jews) rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary a grave false charge (of pre-marital relations); That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ, Jesus son of Mary, The Apostle of God.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them (Jews), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, God raised him up Unto Himself; and God is exalted in power, the Wise. And there is none of the people of the Bible (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him (Jesus) before his death [Jesus will put to the sword the Jews who deny him]; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness against them.
- Quran, an-Nisaa, v.157

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Reply #44 - Feb 8^th, 2014 at 2:13pm

True Colours wrote: Quote:

Jesus was not crucified. Jesus alludes to this when he tells the Jews that they will not be able to catch him:

Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and [then] I go unto him (God) that sent me. Ye shall seek me, and shall not find [me]: and where I am, [thither] ye cannot come. Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? What [manner of] saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find [me]: and where I am, [thither] ye cannot come? - John 7:33-36

You'll have to get back to your imam T.C. he got it wrong again

From the Bible: Quote:

John 7:33 Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me.
John 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
John7:36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

It's extremely plain T.C.:

Christ said He was going back to Him [God] that sent me e.g.: Christ would be resurrected and ascend into Heaven.

He also said: where I am, thither ye cannot come Again pretty plain isn't it? They would seek Him, would not be able to find Him, because He would be in Heaven, men in their natural state can not go there and see Him

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For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”- Luke 4:10-1

Now the true muslim is coming out, quoting from satan T.C.?

From the Bible: Quote:

Luke 4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
Luke4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Luke4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Luke4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Luke4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Luke4:13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

Basically it all says: Satan was tempting Christ, Christ overcame the enticements of evil.

You then quoted Satan again with: Quote:

"the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone."- Matthew 4:6

From the Bible again: Quote:

Matthew 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
Matthew 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
Matthew 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

Once again Satan tempted Christ, Christ overcome the evil of the devil

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See, my servant will act wisely ;he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted.- Isaiah 52:13

Now I know that the Lord saves his anointed king. He answers him from his holy heaven. The power of God's right hand saves the king.- Psalms 20:6

He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the LORD, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust." Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the arrow that flies by day...A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you...If you make the Most High your dwelling— even the LORD, who is my refuge - then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways; they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone..."Because he loves me," says the LORD, "I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name. He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honour him. With long life will I satisfy him and show him my salvation."- Psalm 91

The O.T. is the evidence of the covenant between God and the Israelites

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