True Colours wrote on Feb 8
th, 2014 at 11:32am:
moses wrote on Feb 8
th, 2014 at 10:52am:
True Colours wrote:
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The Christian spiritual message is: Christ fulfilled (brought to a successful conclusion) the law, His sacrifice on the cross was the final blood sacrifice of the law.
Jesus was not crucified. Jesus alludes to this when he tells the Jews that they will not be able to catch him:
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"That they (Jews) rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary a grave false charge (of pre-marital relations); That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ, Jesus son of Mary, The Apostle of God.' But
they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them (Jews), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay,
God raised him up Unto Himself; and God is exalted in power, the Wise. And there is none of the people of the Bible (Jews and Christians) but must believe in him (Jesus) before his death [Jesus will put to the sword the Jews who deny him]; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness against them.
- Quran, an-Nisaa, v.157
True_Colours,
The Koran and moslems contradict the testimony of God [in his word] and Jesus [in his word].
The Koran and moslems claim that Jesus was not crucified, and that Jesus did not die on the cross, but that Jesus was 'conveyed' to heaven by God [Allah] - without Jesus tasting death.ISLAM teaches a 'strange' and different narrative about Jesus, which totally contradicts the narrative about Jesus that is found in the New Testament account of Jesus life, ministry, death,
and his resurrection.
"Jesus was not crucified. Jesus alludes to this when he tells the Jews that they will not be able to catch him:"
John 7:25
Then said some of them of Jerusalem,
Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?26 But, lo, he speaketh boldly, and they say nothing unto him. Do the rulers know indeed that this is the very Christ?
27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.
28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.
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Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.
And what was Jesus own account ?
It is the account, of how he, Jesus [as God's emissary to mankind] would be rejected by men, and would be killed by those same men !
Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
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Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:36
And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
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But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
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And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 And ye are witnesses of these things.
Jesus died at the hands of men.
Was raised again by God the father.
And then appeared to his friends and disciples again, not as a spirit
but in the flesh.
Our salvation rests upon our belief that Jesus was crucified, died, and after 3 days, and 3 nights, Jesus was revived
by God.
1 Corinthians 15:4
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
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After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
The moslem narrative, about Jesus being conveyed to heaven by God [Allah]
WITHOUT JESUS SUFFERING DEATH, totally subverts the God's purpose, for Jesus death and resurrection....
1 Corinthians 1:21
...it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching [the resurrection from death, of Jesus] to save them that believe.