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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #120 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:33pm:

We are talking about the OPs lie about what Gillard said. Are you also claiming that his quote is correct?

Yes or no will suffice.

Gillard had clearly indicated prior to the election that a price on carbon in the term was a possibility. A lot of people believe that the given quote is correct, they could be wrong but more likely not. either way it isn't a lie.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

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In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #121 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:16pm

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

The OP contains a lie

Actually contains a link to 25. Look a bit closer next time. Try too keep up

I see you must already recognise that the OP was lying because you choose to ignore it and try to distract.

So do you too, agree with the OPs Gillard quote?

Got nothing on the topic to attempt to defend the plethora of blatant Abbott lies?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #123 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:21pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.

Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?

Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.

“We will restore accountability and

improve transparency measures to be more accountable

to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58647 Here Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #124 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:25pm Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:17pm: So you admit that the quote is a lie. We are making progress. I admit that Gillard is on record prior to the election saying that she would put a price on carbon. You made no progress in coming to terms with Abbotts obvious dishonesty in any way.
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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #125 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:27pm

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:18pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.

Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?

Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.

No. She didn't.

Shame I'm not a global mod, I'd happily ban you for continually posting blatant falsehoods
the way you persist in doing.

You are either a shill, a troll, or an abject idiot. Or possibly all three.

What falsehood is that?
The harpy has her statement clearly on video for all to see.
And she did exactly what she stated she wouldn't.
And Ms Thirty percenter was thrown out of office by her own party.
Considering that once again you resort to insults when you run out of puff, ban yourself instead.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #126 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.

Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?

Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.

“We will restore accountability and

improve transparency measures to be more accountable

to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?

You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #127 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:25pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:17pm:

So you admit that the quote is a lie.

We are making progress.

I admit that Gillard is on record prior to the election saying that she would put a price on carbon.

You made no progress in coming to terms with Abbotts obvious dishonesty in any way.

That's ok. We all know what you admitted to. The quote in the OP was a lie and you know it, hence your little dance. When you can finally admit it, we can move on to the other lies.

If you can't admit to one of the biggest lies, you can't rationally discuss the veracity of the other allegations. Let me know when you are ready to do that and we can start going through the IA bull dust point by point.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #128 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:10pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:50pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Honesty is saying they will stop the boats and doing it.

Dishonesty is saying "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"

It would do you good to learn the difference for your own sake.

Seems you're determined to ignore the rest of the quote.

Well, here it is again, just for you...

" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..."

Not a lie on her part at all, nor on the part of The Wise One.

More a lack of comprehension skills on your part.

Or is it merely blind partisan bigotry and ignorance?

Gillard could have been as determined as she liked at the time about pricing carbon, she stated quite clearly there would be no carbon tax introduced under a government she led.
That's pretty straight forward.
She then introduced a carbon tax soon after the election.
The harpy lied, and more so the Australian people believed she lied.
Which is one of the many reasons why Ms thirty percenter was soundly booted out of her office before she led the Labor party to electoral oblivion.

“We will restore accountability and

improve transparency measures to be more accountable

to you.”

Hiding boats with no accountability and less transparency when their election commitment was to do the opposite ???

Abbott’s insistence at a press conference in Jakarta in October:

“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

The commitment from Abbott is no tow backs the fact is they are towing boats back. That's a direct lie.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.
Why are you complaining about a working policy?

You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.

And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either, just to the boundary where Indonesian water meets international water.
The policy remains consistent and has not changed since it was introduced months before the election, and that's what's important.
The policy works and that's what's really important.
No boats have been 'hidden' as you stated.
All boats have been accounted for and reported about in a timely fashion.
The world did not end because the government conducted a weekly media meeting.
It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.
Don't fret, the filthy smugglers boats are exactly where they should be.
Either back in Indonesia, or lying on the bottom.
If all you have left is to argue semantics, or try to misrepresent the PM's words to attempt to score a scabby cheap point instead of making a real point about the policy then I know Abbott is on the right track.
Suck it up princess.
His policy works.
And that's what really matters.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #129 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 4:34am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.

25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government

Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #131 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 5:09am

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:57pm:

Quote:

“There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead, but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon”. Julia Gillard

Prime example a statement she made several time not every time with a caveat.
Face it even if you include it she still lied.
Her Government did bring in a carbon tax... Roll Eyes

It isn't worth the effort going over the list and pointing out the lies and errors which a sane person would recognise.

It is a complete lie. There is nowhere she ever uttered that line. Some call it leftwing mythology, others call it for exactly what it is. Complete bull dust.

DICKHEAD

I type this slowly so you can understand it

The Gillard brought in a fixed price on carbon for 3 years then it is going to a ETS

Quote:

Did Julia Gillard promise no carbon tax?
Just before the 2010 Federal election, Julia Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, and critics have been calling her a liar ever since the multi-party committee on climate change released their statement on the plan to price carbon. The issue here is that what has been announced is not really a carbon tax.
It is an emissions trading scheme with a fixed price on permits for the first three years. Permits are still able to be bought and sold, but at a fixed price. A carbon tax implies that the government would simply tax companies for their carbon emissions, and is not the same as a system where permits are tradable, and in some cases provided for free.
http://www.carbontax.net.au/julia-gillard-no-carbon-tax/

If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are.

This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party.

Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote

Here are a couple of sites

http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-un...

What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up

Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #132 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:32am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 4:41am:

Stratos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 9:41pm:

The OP contains a lie

Actually contains a link to 25. Look a bit closer next time. Try too keep up

Of which three I have already proven in short order to not be lies at all.

I sincerely doubt that, you don't have the ability to tell the difference between lies and fact.

As you constantly strive to prove.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #133 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:46am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:30pm:

[quote author=chicken_lipsforme link=1391836204/123#123 date=1391948472]

You support Abbott doing exactly what he categorically denied he would do about 6 or 8 weeks ago.

He was talking about no tow backs to Indonesia you mean.

He isn't towing them to France.

And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either, just to the boundary where Indonesian water meets international water.
The policy remains consistent and has not changed since it was introduced months before the election, and that's what's important.
The policy works and that's what's really important.
No boats have been 'hidden' as you stated.
All boats have been accounted for and reported about in a timely fashion.
The world did not end because the government conducted a weekly media meeting.
It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.
Don't fret, the filthy smugglers boats are exactly where they should be.
Either back in Indonesia, or lying on the bottom.
If all you have left is to argue semantics, or try to misrepresent the PM's words to attempt to score a scabby cheap point instead of making a real point about the policy then I know Abbott is on the right track.
Suck it up princess.
His policy works.
And that's what really matters.

And he isn't towing them back into Indonesian ports either

Clearly not what he meant or in fact said, he obviously meant towing them back to Indonesian waters.

He said that turning them around from Australian waters was what they would do.

This means that the intention was to tow them nowhere.

With the incursions into Indonesian waters that we can only assume has been part of the tow back process they obviously have taken them back into Indonesian territory a clear serious, deliberate and malicious breach of Indonesia's sovereignty. They not only accidentally entered Indonesian waters they had a purpose in doing it which was clearly opposed by Indonesia.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #134 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 4:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.

25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government

Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf

Here's plenty of irrefutable lies

Most are far from irrefutable - in fact most are rubbish the facts would show that Labor were right.

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