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Reply #135 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:01am

Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #136 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:12am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:51pm:

It wasn't all that long ago anyway under Labor that the majority of the media stopped reporting the arrival of smugglers boats with the obvious exception of radio station 2GB which still reported daily arrivals, and the silence was deafening at the time.
Even the Labor governments published statistics of boat arrivals on the internet was six months behind until last September, and the silence was deafening.

Indeed.
When they were coming two-a-day the wallahs didn't want to report them.
Now that they are not coming, they are miffed that there is nothing to report.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #137 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:14am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 4:34am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:59pm:

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:39pm:

Creative policy that works. Amazing after 6 years of policy failure by the ALP.

25 Lies from a dishonest incompetent government

Here's plenty of irrefutable lies from the most incompetent government in our history. Six years of Labor incompetence, waste, backstabbing and corruption was 5 years too many! https://lpaweb-static.s3.amazonaws.com/Labor_tells_lies_Sept%2012.pdf

Here's plenty of irrefutable lies

Most are far from irrefutable - in fact most are rubbish the facts would show that Labor were right.

Pointless telling him that.

He's incapable of forming an independent thought, runs on partisan spin & BS only.

And is notorious for posting partisan rhetoric and outright lies as irrefutable fact (his
constant carping on Swan's supposed incompetence despite all of the experts saying
otherwise, for example).

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #138 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:14am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know, because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #139 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:24am Not with armed warships and only to affect rescues.
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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #140 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:28am

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know, because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).

That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #141 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:32am I am sure it is the commanders on the spot who are disgusted with the orders they get, the stupid secrecy to hide failures etc.
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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #142 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:00am

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Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.

You see, I did do my research which is why you are a liar and why you are unable to find anything about your purported quotation because it doesn't exist. It's a big fat lie.

My question is, why do you feel the need to lie? Is it because you argument is so weak? Is it because you are so weak minded you actually just want to believe its true?

I already posted how you can find the full video. Considering I cannot post links yet, lets see if you are brave enough to do so so we can all see that your "quote" Grin

exists.

I'm betting that seeing as you lied so brazenly in the OP and here you are now still in denial, you will try desperately to ignore the real facts.

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I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me

The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement
" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point.

The left and facts reside in different universes.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #143 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:39am

Sorryyouarewrong wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:00am:

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Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.

You see, I did do my research which is why you are a liar and why you are unable to find anything about your purported quotation because it doesn't exist. It's a big fat lie.

My question is, why do you feel the need to lie? Is it because you argument is so weak? Is it because you are so weak minded you actually just want to believe its true?

I already posted how you can find the full video. Considering I cannot post links yet, lets see if you are brave enough to do so so we can all see that your "quote" Grin

exists.

I'm betting that seeing as you lied so brazenly in the OP and here you are now still in denial, you will try desperately to ignore the real facts.

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I can't post links so perhaps someone would be kind enough to do it for me

The YouTube video under EyW7oFk6n8 and time 2.20 will give you the exact quote and nowhere is the statement
" ..but lets be absolutely clear. I am determined to price carbon..." said at any point.

The left and facts reside in different universes.

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The Gillard brought in a fixed price on carbon for 3 years then it is going to a ETS

Quote:

Did Julia Gillard promise no carbon tax?
Just before the 2010 Federal election, Julia Gillard said “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”, and critics have been calling her a liar ever since the multi-party committee on climate change released their statement on the plan to price carbon. The issue here is that what has been announced is not really a carbon tax.
It is an emissions trading scheme with a fixed price on permits for the first three years. Permits are still able to be bought and sold, but at a fixed price. A carbon tax implies that the government would simply tax companies for their carbon emissions, and is not the same as a system where permits are tradable, and in some cases provided for free.
http://www.carbontax.net.au/julia-gillard-no-carbon-tax/

If you want to believe a video that has been doctored it just show how much of a idiot you are.

This is the full interview not something that has be doctored by the libturd party.

Now do a bit of research and you will find the full quote

Here are a couple of sites

http://larvatusprodeo.net/archives/2013/09/gillards-carbon-tax-promise/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

http://fairmediaalliance.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-un...

What about this video I notice none of you libturds ever put this up

Now before you come on here and call people liars do a bit of research first and know what you are talking about.

I notice you didn't answer any of the links I put up and there is quotes on there where Gillard said

"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead,

but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.”

So what part of the last bit of the quote don't you understand.

How about answering the bit in blue where it says it is a CARBON PRICE AND NOT A TAX

Here are some more links for you where Gillard says but let me be clear: I will be putting a price on carbon and I will move to an emissions trading scheme.”

http://thesnipertakesaim.wordpress.com/2012/12/17/lies-damned-lies-and-sour-grap...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/there-will-be-no-carbon-tax-...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #144 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:42am Funny how Gillard's quote keeps changing. There will be NO Carbon tax under the government I lead.....
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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #145 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 1:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know, because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).

That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.

Exactly. We put them into very safe boats, we give them food and water, fuel, we hug them, kiss them and wish them bon voyage, knowing that they are safer, much safer than they were when we found them.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #146 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:00pm

Soren wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 1:33pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:28am:

Soren wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:01am:

Could those incursions by our ships into Indonesian waters have been captains disgusted with the orders they got from Morriscum’s toy soldier towing or accompanying the lifeboats closer to Indo shore?

The incursion were not due to accident or “wind and tides” as the simian gibbered.

Indo has been remarkably tolerant of these incursions and the tow backs contrary to promises made by the simian. I doubt many nations now trust us to honour obligations.

We have an agreement to enter their waters for rescue purposes, you know, because they can't patrol their own waters (that's how mighty Indonesia really is).

That is to rescue people in trouble in Indonesian waters - it does not extend to taking people in trouble into Indonesian waters.

Exactly. We put them into very safe boats, we give them food and water, fuel, we hug them, kiss them and wish them bon voyage, knowing that they are safer, much safer than they were when we found them.

It is far more likely that we had been intercepting the boats in international waters (piracy). It seems we now are waiting until they reach our territory and then, even though it would be obvious the people on board would claim asylum, instead of then honouring our UNHCR obligations, we are putting them onto orange boats and we are towing them through international waters and setting them adrift just outside Indonesian territorial waters.......sometimes actually entering Indonesia and then letting them loose.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #147 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:11pm Errrrr they have been found just off Christmass Isl, Soren. And what Aussie said ^^^^
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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #148 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:21pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

Bam wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 6:45am:

[quote author=ArmchairPolitician link=1391836204/39#39 date=1391890450]Promise #25 - Boat tow backs

What the nuts at IA say he said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia."

What he actually said: "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs. Our policy, which we have repeated till we are blue in the face, is that we reserve the right to turn boats around where it is safe to do so. There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia. There is just a world of difference and if I may say so, there has been a tendency of people to put to other people what is not the Coalition’s policy in an attempt to, I think, generate a headline rather than constructively address this issue."

The highlighted bit was missing from IA's selective editing of "broken promise" number 25. He hasn't broken a promise at all. He is turning boats around, as he promised to do before the election and for the entire time he was Opposition Leader. IA's bull$hit meter: extreme!

You're splitting hairs.

Abbott the Mendacious clearly denied tow-backs. Yet we have footage of Navy ships using ropes to tow asylum seekers in boats back to Indonesia. That rope between the ships is not there for decoration.

You are also being hypocritical, getting all hot and bothered about context after you did the same to Gillard over one quotation, over and over, for nearly three years. If you think you have the right to beat up "carbon tax" out of context, you have no right, no right whatsoever to complain if others point out that Abbott repudiated tow backs.

"Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs." He said it. He said it very clearly. He lied.

Are we towing them back to Indonesia? No. Are we towing them out of our waters, yes, if they don't go willingly. No broken promises here!

You are moving the goal posts.

Did Abbott deny that boats would be towed? Yes. "Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs."
Are we towing them? Yes. See video footage for details.

He denied tow backs would occur. He lied.

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

You are lying.

Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs.

And again, a few sentences later:

There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.

That looks like Abbott denying the policy of tow backs to me.

Now you're claiming he didn't say this?

Either Abbott is lying or you are wrong. Which is it?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days Reply #149 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda. No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia. I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.
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