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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #150 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

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Reply #152 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #153 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #155 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself... I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #156 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:39pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?

Okay.

1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #158 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:45pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?

Okay.

1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

Care to try again?
What is your issue... I posted the article I explained the need for nav equipment... yet here we are still back at square one.
Once a boat is is in the water how do you propose to keep it in proximity with the other vessel?
How do people normally board a vessel?
Do please try to engage your brain before replying again.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #159 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:46pm

1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
Yes

2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
By sinking the boats they traveled here with.

3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?
Do as you please and continue posting useless questions.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #160 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:50pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself... I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #161 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself... I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #162 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:56pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

Okay.....we are all speculating...I acknowledge that. But....how do you explain the existence and use of the orange boats. How do they fit in?

(Would you like that photo again....the one where there is an obvious tow line between a warship and an orange boat.)

Would you like to be less vague and pose an actual question that makes sense?

Okay.

1. Does the word 'multiple' mean 'two?'
2. How do the boat people, leaving Indonesia in crappy fishing vesells manage to get into brand new hi-tech orange boats owned by Australian taxpayers?
3. Would you like me to re-post that photo of an orange boat and a Warship attached by a tow line?

Care to try again?
What is your issue... I posted the article I explained the need for nav equipment... yet here we are still back at square one.
Once a boat is is in the water how do you propose to keep it in proximity with the other vessel?
How do people normally board a vessel?
Do please try to engage your brain before replying again.

I get it. You wanted me to ask specific questions, and then, when I do, you ignore them. That's okay, 'cause I know you are not very good at this stuff.

Cheers.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #163 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 4:08pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 3:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:49pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 12:08pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 9:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Chardonnay socialist prog vanity blog.

Is any of it incorrect?

No no, but that’s not the point.

Actually, that IS the point. None of the rightards have been able to refute the argument in whole or in part.

I think you will find that they like that it is only 25 named lies - They know it is really a lot worse for them - this is a good result for the conservatives.

If we did a little digging, we might uncover a few more lies and broken promises from the Coalition.

And I doubt you'd need an excavator or a back-hoe either.

A child's beach-spade should suffice.

On the other hand, you'd need one of those colossal-sized scoops used in open-cut mines to clean up the $hit and lies and broken promises left behind by six years of Labor.

Glad to see you back AP. Aren't you just a tad embarrassed about that 100% dishonest post you made when you claimed that the Australian Submarine Corporation was not Government owned and controlled?

Hi AP..........care to explain?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #164 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 4:41pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:52pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:16pm:

Tow backs have been an integral part of Operation Sovereign Borders in which this policy was released to the public months before the election on the Liberal party website.
The public were well aware of this, and Abbott went to the election with it and won the election.
Your selective memory does you no credit whatsoever.
And tow backs will continue to be an integral part of a policy which has been very successful in the few months it has been active which is why it will remain despite the bleatings of the left side of politics or the Indonesians.
Smugglers boats will never be welcome in this country.

Grendel wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

The official policy never was tow back... that was labor misquoting and propaganda.

No boat I'm aware of, has been, towed back to Indonesia.

I'd have no problem with them doing just that, but the Indonesians might be a bit miffed.

You have contradicted each other.

One of you is wrong.

Please work out amongst yourselves which one of you is wrong.

Actually we could both be right in part.
But as for the policy I am 100% correct.
You can work out the rest yourself... I used to think you were bright enough to do that.

That should be done by CL. He was the one that contradicted you, not me. I'll wait for the both of you to work out between yourselves what the policy actually is (or was), complete with links.

Don't be stupid, we don't know each other and we don't share the same politics anymore than you and I do.
The policy was TURN Back The Boats not the labor lie.
What is your point?

At least one of you is posting rubbish without checking your facts. Surely you're smart enough to work this out. Read the highlighted bits again. Which one of you is correct? Were tow backs published Coalition policy or not? And if they were, why was Abbott denying this?

Now, are you going to provide evidence? Or are you going to keep dodging the question?

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