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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #210 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:27am

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I provided a link.

Didn't see it.

I provided a link because you refused to do so despite being asked more than once.

Really when? I only saw Aussie's reference to an image and I could think of lots of reasons for that situation, so why would I bother even looking at it when I'd be arguing with closed biased minds. A waste of time.

Perhaps you should have clicked it and read it instead of deleting it,

I didn't delete anything. If you posted it surely it is still there.

pretending it did not exist,

didn't see it.

and then complaining.

haven't complained.

If you're going to ignore a link and then be disingenuous about it that is not my problem.

Your problem it seems is bias. Don't colour my actions or your assumptions about me with it.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #211 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:31am

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So I'm taking the trouble to get the facts right and you delete most of my response, pretend it didn't exist, and then call it "pedantic" when I remind you? What a load of rubbish. I expected better of you. It is better to get the facts right rather than being lazy, disingenuous and deceitful like you are doing.

oh dear, I haven't been deleting anything.
I only quote what is necessary, that's what most people do. Roll Eyes

Not lazy, not disingenuous or deceitful thank you very much.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #212 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:35am

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Oh, really? You deleted three paragraphs and a link, none of which you bothered to respond to.

Here is what you cropped out and then falsely claimed you didn't crop out:

I didn't crop anything out... I was not being deceitful, I am not lying.
I posted what I was replying to... that is normal behaviour, we don't all post every bloody thing that has been said before in every bloody post. That would be bloody stupid. Posts wouldn't fit on the page. Roll Eyes

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #214 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:47am

Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand.

There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #215 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:56am

24... starts of with a totally biased piece of ridicule... is that

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That deportation really hit the spot. I might wash it down with the tears of an unaccompanied minor. #auspol pic.twitter.com/p2c8Dipoea
— Scott Morrison (@Scott_The_Boats) January 31, 2014

So you're trying to tell me this is going to be an honest factual piece? Grin

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Entering Indonesia waters

On Wednesday 15th January, Immigration Minister Scott Morrison told a press conference that Australia:

“… respects Indonesia’s territorial sovereignty.”

Just two days later, he admitted — well, actually, we don’t:

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“Border Protection Command assets had, in the conduct of maritime operations associated with Operation Sovereign Borders, inadvertently entered Indonesian territorial waters on several occasions.”

Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant. Even in the vessels we own.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #216 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 1:47pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Well I told you why I'm not going to do it. It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

Handwaving is not a refutation.

Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions.
If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother?
How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images? Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article. Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists? How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes".... talk about flippant idiocy.
This...
“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

Does not mean No Tow Ropes... of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES.

It means boats will be turned around... but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

One of the most interesting but incorrect interpretations of a clear statement I have ever seen.

That assessment would earn you a fail in 2nd grade of primary school.

Had they been taking them back to port in Indonesia they would have simply taken them on board there would have been no need to supply a few hundred thousand dollars of boats and a slow tow back.

None of the facts support your assessment, they all support tow backs having occurred.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #217 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:24pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand.

There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general.

Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #218 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:57pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant. Even in the vessels we own.

I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

Would you like to donate as well?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #219 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:59pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand.

There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general.

Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #220 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 1:47pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 8:01pm:

I also note that the rightards have not bothered to refute most of the items on this list. I note this tacit acceptance of this long list of broken promises.

Well I told you why I'm not going to do it. It was so stupid I couldn't even be bothered reading it all. Why would you waste time refuting idiocy and lies?

Handwaving is not a refutation.

Well I'm not waving my hand and I'm frankly sick of your inferences particularly when I'm more than courteous to you on most occasions.
If you cannot see the reasons I find them stupid not to mention biased then why would I bother?
How about the ridicule etc at the start of the article with the images? Do you honestly think this is going to be an unbiased article. Since when has this group been unbiased or even credible journalists? How about the lie "Pretty clear. No tow ropes".... talk about flippant idiocy.
This...
“Can I just scotch this idea that the Coalition’s policy is or ever has been tow-backs … There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.”

Does not mean No Tow Ropes... of course as a matter of normal procedure and safety there will be TOW ROPES.

It means boats will be turned around... but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

but won't be getting towed back to Indonesian ports.

One of the most interesting but incorrect interpretations of a clear statement I have ever seen.

really? next time try the whole quote.

That assessment would earn you a fail in 2nd grade of primary school.

Not me but you perhaps dna.

Had they been taking them back to port in Indonesia

how soon we forget the past.

they would have simply taken them on board there would have been no need to supply a few hundred thousand dollars of boats and a slow tow back.

What happened the last time they were on a boat that took them back to port?

None of the facts support your assessment, they all support tow backs having occurred.

It is clear what Abbott said... it is clear your bias prevents you from admitting it. Just more proof why I didn't bother to start with. To tow a boat back to Indonesia you actually have to make landfall. To tow a boat back may allow you to be withing sight of Indonesia. To tow a boat may be any distance to anywhere. Abbott clearly stated...
"There is a world of difference between turning boats around in Australian waters and the Australian Navy towing them back to Indonesia.” Sorry you failed English DNA.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #221 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant. Even in the vessels we own.

I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

Would you like to donate as well?

http://www.indianpeoplewelfaresociety.org/images2/donation.jpg

Happy for you to tell us... how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are.
Happy for you to confirm that they are infallible and that the seamen who use them are too.
Happy for you to clarify the Commander's position and orders at the time. Cheesy

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #222 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:19pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:57pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

Let me tell you the seas and oceans are vast and there are no lines painted on the waves or fences out there. If you think mistakes cannot be made or you know exactly where you are to the millimetre at all times you are ignorant. Even in the vessels we own.

I'm chipping in $10, for the Navy to buy a GPS.

Would you like to donate as well?

http://www.indianpeoplewelfaresociety.org/images2/donation.jpg

Happy for you to tell us... how old the boats are what their guidance and positioning systems are and how accurate they are.

Considering how many times the incompetent Australian Navy have broken international laws, I'd say that the boats are pretty old, the guidance systems are obsolete, and their accuracy is quite poor.

They're probably using these:

Not acceptable.

So, would you like to donate? Can I put you down for $10?

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #223 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:21pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand.

There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general.

Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.

Let's see it then. Link please.

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Re: 25 broken promise in 150 days
Reply #224 - Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:26pm

Aussie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:59pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 11:47am:

Having now read what you said I cropped out... I repeat... I posted what was needed for my reply... I have now well and truly answered all your stuff...

I already addressed it btw in the piece you just quoted. You dismissed it out of hand.

There are many reasons for having a lifeboat in tow... I told Aussie to go away and think of some... I have now supplied some... why must I do all the thinking for you lot? Is your bias so all pervading you can't think?

Now Bam... I hope everything is answered, me... I need a holiday from you. If I didn't respect you I would have just ignored you. I wasn't being dishonest etc, it isn't in my nature, but wasting time on things with biased people like Aussie, when it is so obvious there are other alternative reasons, then having you decide to mount the same argument, etc, when I expect better makes one reassess whether or not participating is worth it.

Obviously we are all interested in politics... some though are here only to push the tribal barrow.
I'm a LW Conservative swinging voter... rusted-ons are bad for our democracy, society and country. Bad for debate. Bad for politics in general.

Really......was it in your dreams, or did I miss it?

Obviously you were asleep or missed it as usual.

Let's see it then. Link please.

A link, from Grendel?

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