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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #135 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 4:06pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:51am:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:59am:

Should the cleric have alerted the authorities when the pedophile approached him and asked him to perform the marriage rites? Do you expect these people are aware of more such cases within the community?

Should they be "culturalising" the Muslim community that it is wrong to have sex with children?

I suspect that you are just baiting me, but obviously 'yes' on all counts. The islamic community should be taking more responsibility as I said from the beginning.

You avoided my question earlier about being sensitive to the religious beliefs of Muslims. If asking you a question counts as "baiting", then yes I was baiting you. I was trying to trick you into answering a question. Sorry about that.

I think it said in the paper this week that they had a wedding ceremony that was presided over by an Imam. If so, I think this raises serious questions about the ability of the Muslim community to reject and stamp out this behaviour, and the criminality of the father, imam and others who enabled this crime.

Great news:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/imam-charged-with-solemnising-underage-marriage-20140211-32dqn.html

Imam charged with solemnising underage marriage

Great news indeed, FD!

And i know that so many moslems [who are resident in Australia, and] who are moslems who are tolerant of our secular pluralist society, will be so, so happy, at this news.

gandalf included.

the threats posed by Islam
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1368872008/15#15
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"For what its worth, I believe I contribute positively to my local (non muslim) community, through my every day behaviour and activities. I believe that the vast majority of muslims in Australia are doing similar things in their local communities - coexisting, contributing to the local community, and presenting the right face of islam. IMO these local behaviours all over the country feed into the national face of islam, which helps create a mainstream Australian muslim community that is loyal, integrated, pro-peace and anti-extremism."

See! ......moslems are progressive, adaptable people.

Those beheading placards, at a moslems street protest in 2012, in the Sydney CBD ?

http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

....were just an aberration. Tongue

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #136 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:18pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Those beheading placards, at a moslems street protest in 2012, in the Sydney CBD ?

http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

....were just an aberration.

yadda, you have been shown repeatedly that the Muslim community widely condemned the protest, and ahve been shown numerous source where this was the case.

You are deliberately misrepresenting Muslims. Not very Christian of you to be so wayward with the truth and deliberately lie.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #137 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:27pm Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:18pm: Not very Christian of you to be so wayward with the truth and deliberately lie. Y’s a Karmic Khristian. They worship a pagan deity based on the myths of Dionysus, Osiris and Seth.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #138 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:57pm

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

I think it said in the paper this week that they had a wedding ceremony that was presided over by an Imam. If so, I think this raises serious questions about the ability of the Muslim community to reject and stamp out this behaviour, and the criminality of the father, imam and others who enabled this crime.

What is an imam FD? Usually it is someone elected/appointed to lead a mosque or islamic community. But given the total lack of structure in mosque hierarchy, it can also be any old schmuck who decides he wants to be called "imam".

From the article you quoted:

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Child abuse detectives told Fairfax Media the imam had been associated with an Islamic centre in the Hunter region "on and off" since 2009.

It is understood he is no longer associated with the centre or mosque.

Been "associated" with an islamic centre "on and off"? Methinks this is not a properly appointed or elected leader.

In short, I don't think this case justifies the claim that "this raises serious questions about the ability of the Muslim community to reject and stamp out this behaviour".

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #139 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 10:58pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 4:49pm:

Those beheading placards, at a moslems street protest in 2012, in the Sydney CBD ?

http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

....were just an aberration.

yadda, you have been shown repeatedly that the Muslim community widely condemned the protest, and ahve been shown numerous source where this was the case.

You are deliberately misrepresenting Muslims. Not very Christian of you to be so wayward with the truth and deliberately lie.

Stratos,

It is no good, repeatedly haranguing me, about my expressed distrust of what comes out of the lips of moslems !

Stratos, why can't the 'condemnation' of moslem behaviour, by moslems [of which you speak] merely be more lies and deceit - so as to, AFTER THE EVENT 'calm the horses' ?

Stratos, moslems have proven to me time and time again, what mendacious and deceitful creatures they are.

So, why shouldn't i doubt the sincerity of anything everything that a moslem seeks to 'communicate' to me, and to my community ?

Is it 'unchristian' of me, to be as cynical as i clearly am, about the sincerity of what a moslem tells to me ?

Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

google

Google;
taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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Stratos,

If an EX-moslem ever tells me that he has denounced and renounced ISLAM, i will try again, to trust such a person.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #140 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:09pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:57pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 8:19pm:

I think it said in the paper this week that they had a wedding ceremony that was presided over by an Imam. If so, I think this raises serious questions about the ability of the Muslim community to reject and stamp out this behaviour, and the criminality of the father, imam and others who enabled this crime.

What is an imam FD?

Usually it is someone elected/appointed to lead a mosque or islamic community.

But given the total lack of structure in mosque hierarchy, it can also be any old schmuck who decides he wants to be called "imam".

gandalf,

Precisely.

So, a moslem, is a moslem.

And a moslem community [living within a secular host community], is ultimately not responsible for the actions or bad behaviour of any moslem who is a member of their community.

And as you have just explained, ........an imam, a moslem community spokesman, is a 'nobody', who is 'not responsible' and has no authority, within a moslem community for anything that occurs.

gandalf,

What authority does a declaration made by a moslem community body have ?

And can any 'societal' declaration made by any moslem community spokesman have credibility or veracity ?

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

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Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

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"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #141 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:13pm You use far more excuses for lying than any Muslim I have ever known Yadda
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #142 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:27pm

Karnal wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:18pm:

Not very Christian of you to be so wayward with the truth and deliberately lie.

Y’s a Karmic Khristian.

They worship a pagan deity based on the myths of Dionysus, Osiris and Seth.

Q.
But who is Karnal ?

A.
He is some nondescript entity [here on OzPol], who claims to be a theist - of sorts.

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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.

A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.

Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.

Q.
In these posts [below] is Karnal revealing his real opinions and his real beliefs in this forum ?

Or is the Karnal [as his moniker implies] just an individual dedicated to bringing about, as soon as is possible, his next sexual orgasm ?

I do not know.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/69#69
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May we teach ourselves how to think, friends. Let us be loyal servants of the one Gud. Only by our own words and deeds are we delivered. Only by our response to our fate, which is our true gift from Gud, may we know peace.

Allah Uakbar!

FD is a good man, bless him, bless him. May he come to the pure land in his time, and bring many with him.

There is much wisdom in the scarecrow.

Gud the merciful is in us, friends, and we are in Gud. Praise Him not in words but in deeds, and let Him shine from our silence.

Gud is in us whether we know or not, so knowing or not it matters little. May we know when He speaks through our deeds and let Him do His work.

When we do not know, let us seek Him in our silence.

Such is the will of Gud, friends, and it is our will also. We are all right and wrong, but only Gud knows this. His judgement is righteous and swift, and He delivers all to their teachings.

May the darkness of night be our friend, but may Gud be our rudder.

Allah Uakbar!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379233323/103#103
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Ah, my friends, we must agree with all the peoples - even those who disagree we agree to agree.

We need all letters of the alphabet, isn’t it. FD, Y, OB, all. Gud is great, no?

We are the letters. Gud is the words.

Allah Uakbar.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379843041/17#17
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Ah, habibi, I love all childrens. Top, bottom, all.

You have a lovey cheese, no?

Gud is great.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379843041/6#6
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It is so. He coulda been a cheese-dealing Hun with IBS.

Gud is great!

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/54#54
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Sectarian? I say, old chap, how can Allah Uakbar be sectarian? It is only one Gud, isn't it.

Always, absolutely, never ever.

Don't forget which side we're on, old boy.

We're on the side of Gud.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376013300/122#122
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There is no god but Gud.

Q.
Who said so?

A.
Karnal said so, bless him, bless him, peace be upon him.

It is a Gudly worlds, no?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1330935607/263#263
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Ah, my friends, it is only rape if your old boy spouse resists, no?

Gud is great, isn’t it.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/47#47
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Which Allah do you mean, old chap? Gud the Father, Mother, or Uncle?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376013300/118#118
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Ah, my friend, you are mistaken.

Gud's mercy is upon all who seek it, praise Him, praise Him.

Gud is great, no?

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21611 A cat with a view	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #143 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:29pm Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:13pm: You use far more excuses for lying than any Muslim I have ever known Yadda Oh. Example ?
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #144 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:31pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:13pm:

You use far more excuses for lying than any Muslim I have ever known Yadda

Y’s a Karmic Muslim. They worship a sort of lunar deity known as Gud.

Y’s life work is promoting his god on this board each day. It’s a form of worship, Y’s service to mankind. Yes, these posts are Y’s spiritual practice.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #145 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:34pm Yes or no yadda, did many of the Australian Muslim community condemn the actions during the riot you keep referring to?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #146 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:43pm All good questions, Y. Who is the real Karnal? Karnal = an assumed identity on a discussion board, a mask, a disguise. Google: Karnal. Personally, Y, I have always seen you as K’s prophet, his John the Baptist.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #147 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:59pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yes or no yadda, did many of the Australian Muslim community condemn the actions during the riot you keep referring to?

Stratos,

Please give me leeway to express what i want to say.

And here it is;

I do not deny

that words came out of the lips of spokesmen for the Sydney moslem community, words that ostensibly, could be interpreted, as a sincere condemnation of 'other' moslems, moslems who paraded placards on Sydney streets, calling for the beheading of persons who have the temerity to offend moslems, by NOT believing as they [moslems] believe.

Whether what those moslems declared was sincere [or not!] - only God knows.

Men are such liars.

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http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

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Those sentiments, expressed by those moslems, who paraded those placards on Sydney streets, calling for the beheading of persons who offend ISLAM and who offend moslems, seems fully in accord with what the Mohammedan religion 'lawfully' and 'rightly' endorses....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21611 A cat with a view	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #148 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 12:06am Karnal wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:43pm: All good questions, Y. Who is the real Karnal? Who, indeed. Karnal wrote on Jan 29^th, 2014 at 3:08pm: Behead all those who insult the Prophet. I'm hardly an atheist, Y. I believe in Gud.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #149 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 1:27am

Yadda wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:59pm:

Stratos wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 11:34pm:

Yes or no yadda, did many of the Australian Muslim community condemn the actions during the riot you keep referring to?

Stratos,

Please give me leeway to express what i want to say.

And here it is;

I do not deny

that words came out of the lips of spokesmen for the Sydney moslem community, words that ostensibly, could be interpreted, as a sincere condemnation of 'other' moslems, moslems who paraded placards on Sydney streets, calling for the beheading of persons who have the temerity to offend moslems, by NOT believing as they [moslems] believe.

Whether what those moslems declared was sincere [or not!] - only God knows.

Men are such liars.

IMAGE.....
http://images.smh.com.au/2012/09/15/3637564/art-protest3-620x349.jpg

p.s.
Those sentiments, expressed by those moslems, who paraded those placards on Sydney streets, calling for the beheading of persons who offend ISLAM and who offend moslems, seems fully in accord with what the Mohammedan religion 'lawfully' and 'rightly' endorses....

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

This has to be the longest "yes" I’ve ever read.

Congrats, Y, you’ve done it again.

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