freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:10pm:


It's a genuine question Karnal. Muslims admit that this is a serious problem that needs to be confronted. Yet they shy away from even acknowledging the elephant in the room. This is a real barrier to eradicating Islamic child marriages everywhere, including Australia.

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:


Yes, FD, but you neglected to answer the question of which Australian Muslims are using the excuse of "Mohammed did it so it's right".

I have no doubt child marriages are a problem in many North African and Central Asian countries - Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. I've also heard of non-consentual marriages and kidnappings being a problem in Islamic societies too.

But I've never once heard of any Muslims in the West justifying this, or making excuses for it. As far as I can tell, most are happy to be far away from such tribalism. I have never heard one Islamic organization, spokesperson or religious leader arguing that child marriages are okay because the Prophet did it.

Actually, I remember Falah on this site justifying Mohammed's actions in a historical context, but I don't remember him saying child marriages are right or proper today.

In a historical context, child marriages were common within ALL traditional societies, as was (to a lesser extent) slavery. In many societies, womena and slaves had equal rights under the law.

Actually, Islamic law, I believe, was one of the first to list rights and entitlements to women - including, if I'm not mistaken, property and inheritance rights.

If you're going to use the "many Muslims believe" argument, please provide a quote. I'm sure you can find a few doozies from Abu and Falah.

I'm sure you've indexed them and have them on file.

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:48pm:


Aha. The old lack of evidence proving guilt. Good work, old boy. 

We'll get you to work with FD on extracting confessions.

Karnal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:58pm:



No.
Lack of courage. You do get killed for apostasy in Islam, you know. If not by the legal system, then my the mob.

You go down to Lakemba, PB, with a placard saying,
"Even if Mohammed himself did it, by our standards it paedophilia and is wrong - Mohammed's example doesn't hold for us any more'.

Better still, try it in Pakistan or Libya or Paris or London. Your complaint about supposed lack of evidence will vanish within minutes and you will have all the bloody-nosed evidence you

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 9:33am:

Thank you for the consistent gibberish.


Quote:


Well, they won't kill you, for starters. They won't even through their red slippers at you.

Muslims will not kill you for marrying underage kids or your goat. They will kill you for saying that Mohammed was wrong.

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 10:56am:



Focus, PB.
Mohammed's example is not subject to doubt or questioning by Muslims. He consummated his marriage to his 10th wife when she started to menstruate, at age 9. Muslims therefore recognise menstruation as the age of consent, not any legally set by  parliament.

Abraham. Thank you for showing your Islamically impeccable inability to talk about Islam's shortcomings without immediately turning to the Jews. Very PB of you.  Abraham,  and all the rest of them - they are not followed uncritically in the secular west.  Being critical of them and their practices or teachings will not kill you in the West. Further, any excuse saying 'Abraham did t too, will not be accepted in the West, including Israel. So the crucial point eluded you - you cannot be critical of Mohammed' practices in Muslim countries where as religiou practices that go against Western law are criticised (and avoided) without any risk.

Mohammed's example that it is OK to marry a girl of any age once she has started bleeding has nothing whatsoever to do with Catholic celibacy or with religious people of any persuasion breaking clear and obvious prohibitions.  They break the law (not to mention sin): they do wrong both by their own religious laws and by secular laws.  Following Mohammed's example,  on the other hand,  neither breaks sharia law nor is, therefore,  a sin by Muslims.

Datalife wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:



Moslems have a 'holy' commission from their deity, Allah, to make the whole world ISLAMIC, by any means,
...BY ANY MEANS.



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11






Quote:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/creed-of-the-sword/story-e6frg6n6-111111225...

Karnal wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:44pm:




K,

A moslem majority jurisdiction = = the moslem ummah.

According to ISLAMIC doctrine, there is only one moslem jurisdiction/community.

Dictionary;
umma = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.



to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231




Q.
Is it lawful - i.e. is it lawful within the ummah - for a moslem man to marry a 6 year old girl ?

A.
Yes it is.

And why so ?

Because Mohammed married a 6 year old girl.

And, IT IS LAWFUL for every moslem man to imitate the recorded conduct and behaviour and acts of Mohammed.