Crickets chirping.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:01pm:


It seems pretty clear to me, try reading all english translations by ticking boxes on the left of page.

Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy says follow the example Mo set.

www.quran.com/33/21

It might be mean, FD, but as someone who was brought up as a Christian, I feel a little entitled to critique Christianity.

This is, after all, what you are demanding from Muslims.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:32pm:


That's a pretty broad statement FD. I know there is at least one loudmouth little cult of Jews, that proclaim themselves to be "orthodox", who rail against Zionism (Neturei Karta - many (most?) of whom live in New York and London), but I believe the majority of Jews both inside and outside of Israel favor Zionism. Even Christians anticipated the restoration of Jews to their land, through Bible prophecy, centuries before that restoration ever began to take place (perhaps better described as increase since they have always had some presence in Israel).

Thomas Brightman 1562-1607: "The restoring of the Jewes and their callinge to the faith of Christ after the utter overthrow of their three enemies is set forth in livelie colours." "Shall they return to Jerusalem again?" "There is nothing more certain: the prophets do everywhere confirm it and beat upon it."

John Owen 1616-1683: "The Jews shall be gathered from all parts of the earth where they are scattered, and brought home into their homeland."
http://www.zionismchristian.com/zionism_in_christianity.htm

So the question today, in light of the historical reality of 6 million Jews ruling and reigning in Israel, with that tiny little piece of land having come from nothing 200 years ago, to becoming a geopolitical focus of the world today is:
Is the restoration of Jews to their land of the Lord or is it of Satan?
(I suppose another alternative that some would wish to believe is that it is some sort of a freaky historical accident). The scriptures describe one method by which we may be able to judge such a thing:

Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Jews from all around the world are joined by evangelical Christians, in recognizing the restoration of Jews to their land is fulfillment of Bible prophecy, and thus of the Lord.

While anti-Zionists include Arnold Murray and his Serpent Seed cult, David Duke and the KKK, Jeremiah Wright, Ted Pike and the Presbyterian Church U.S. (as well as other liberal supersessionist churches), who are joined by Muslims from around the world, Louis Farrakan and the "Nation of Islam", and secular groups like communist Soviets, the United Nations, George Soros and his Center for American Progress, white supremacists, Nazis, skinheads, and anti-Semites of all stripes.

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 9:41pm:


If I knew more about it, sure. Most of it bores me, to be honest, but I’m not a Muslim.

I criticize many things I have an intimate knowledge of. Take my wife.

Please - take her.

It’s so hard to find good aged care nurses these days - ones who speak Danish, anyway.

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:12pm:


So your claim is your argument is, that because you do not to have an 'intimate' knowledge of ISLAM, you refuse to be critical of ISLAM, and its adherents ?


What an absolute 'cop out', in this modern, information rich and information readily available world.



http://thereligionofpeace.com/

Karnal wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 10:39pm:


Quoted for truth.

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Not because a millenia old book tells them to, but because they made up their own mind. It is my understanding that if you rely on Judaism alone, the stance you end up with is anti-zionism, or at best, neutral. Jews have no trouble actively participating in progressive political movements wherever they are, regardless of what nasty things there are in the old testament. The same cannot be said of Muslims, and there are a few fundamental differences between the religions that contribute to this.

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You seem feel entitled to defend it, in your own special way, out of ignorance.

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You know more about them than you do about Islam?