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Reply #345 - Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 1:36pm:

Do you actually understand that there is no indication in this data whatsoever that this is a muslim issue?

Perhaps he got that from the fact that Muhammed had sex with kids, and that so many Muslims here try to justify it. Even you tried to explain how it is OK if the children are trained properly, before you realised it is better to just keep your mouth shut. Only a religious devotion to having sex with children could make people cling to pedophilia like that.

Gandalf do you have any tips how the Australian Muslim community can confront this issue while being sensitive to the religious beliefs of Muslims?

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Reply #346 - Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:53pm

Good statistics, old chap, but off-topic.

You take out all those non-Muselmen countries and we’ll take it from there.

At present, your post does not meet the Islam board’s high standards of evidence.

Unless - can we consider ALL tinted races as Muslims? I don’t see why not.

Better leave it, old chap. We’ll consider India - the population with the largest number of child brides - as Moslem for the sake of the stats.

Good work.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #347 - Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:00pm Since when are you entitled to offer an opinion on what goes on in India Karnal? I'd hate to see you proven wrong. The topic is underage marriage in Sydney.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #348 - Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:07pm

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

Since when are you entitled to offer an opinion on what goes on in India Karnal? I'd hate to see you proven wrong.

The topic is underage marriage in Sydney.

True, FD, but we’ve only got proof of one child marriage here so far. Sadly, we just can’t compete with India as the number one child marriage country.

Unless - could we tender Y’s BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO INSULT THE PROPHET sign as evidence?

Why not? It certainly meets the Islam board’s high standards.

Done. Australia is number one. Again.

Now Moses can find us guilty and we’ll fill another 20 pages.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #349 - Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm I do find the old boy tremendously brave though. Moses might find him guilty for letting the Muselman off too lightly. Better change the stats, old chap. Just to be on the safe side, what.
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Reply #350 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:42am

Karnal wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

I do find the old boy tremendously brave though. Moses might find him guilty for letting the Muselman off too lightly.

Better change the stats, old chap. Just to be on the safe side, what.

The Western cases of arranged and child marriage occur among Muslims. Mohammed's example means that sharia courts resist setting minimum age limits for girl's above that of Mohammed's example with Aisha for Islamic, religious reasons (see Yemen).
In Muslim countries, Islam is at the front and centre of thinking about everything - but here in the west, in the name of diversity, we are all expected to pretend that Islam has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', that Islam is not a determinant of behaviour and thinging for Muslims, that their relentless demands for religious accommodation is really about their desire for liberala democratic freedoms and not about sharia Islam.

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Reply #351 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 6:57am

Here in the west, many of the 'trend setters' and 'fashionistas' have pretended that ISLAM [and the 'Arab'] were mysterious and 'romantic', but a harmless 'foreign influence'.

But perhaps in recent years [as more of us have been exposed to the 'influence' of moslems], the idea is changing that ISLAM [and the 'Arab'] are just a harmless 'foreign influence' ?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #352 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:39am freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:49pm: Gandalf do you have any tips how the Australian Muslim community can confront this issue while being sensitive to the religious beliefs of Muslims? Sure - you tell them not to marry children - because its completely contradictory to, and forbidden by islam. Very simple.
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Reply #353 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:19am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 7:39am:

freediver wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 9:49pm:

Gandalf do you have any tips how the Australian Muslim community can confront this issue while being sensitive to the religious beliefs of Muslims?

Sure - you tell them not to marry children - because its completely contradictory to, and forbidden by islam.

Very simple.

gandalf,

[at least....] One problem.

I do not believe that your statement is true. [...i'm sure FD can speak for himself]

The Koran and the Hadith are the basis of all ISLAMIC law.

Please demonstrate from the Koran and/or the Hadith, that Mohammed DID NOT marry a small child [who still played with dolls],
OR,
can you demonstrate in some other example/way, [with authority cited in the Koran or the Hadith] that ISLAM does forbid marriage between an adult moslem man, and a small, young girl.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #354 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:25am

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:42am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

I do find the old boy tremendously brave though. Moses might find him guilty for letting the Muselman off too lightly.

Better change the stats, old chap. Just to be on the safe side, what.

The Western cases of arranged and child marriage occur among Muslims. Mohammed's example means that sharia courts resist setting minimum age limits for girl's above that of Mohammed's example with Aisha for Islamic, religious reasons (see Yemen).
In Muslim countries, Islam is at the front and centre of thinking about everything

True, old chap. And you've provided good examples of countries with no minimum age for marriage: Saudia Arabia, Yemen, and now Iran.

But please tell, old boy, if these countries follow the Prophet in every word and deed, then why aren't they in your list of top twenty countries?

Why are they surpassed by the Christian and Hindu countries of Nicuragua and India?

Please explain, dear boy.

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Reply #355 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:48am

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:42am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

I do find the old boy tremendously brave though. Moses might find him guilty for letting the Muselman off too lightly.

Better change the stats, old chap. Just to be on the safe side, what.

The Western cases of arranged and child marriage occur among Muslims. Mohammed's example means that sharia courts resist setting minimum age limits for girl's above that of Mohammed's example with Aisha for Islamic, religious reasons (see Yemen).
In Muslim countries, Islam is at the front and centre of thinking about everything

True, old chap. And you've provided good examples of countries with no minimum age for marriage: Saudia Arabia, Yemen, and now Iran.

But please tell, old boy, if these countries follow the Prophet in every word and deed, then why aren't they in your list of top twenty countries?

Why are they surpassed by the Christian and Hindu countries of Nicuragua and India?

Please explain, dear boy.

Try getting any moslem [or any moslem jurisdiction] to acknowledge ANY nefarious behaviour [which they, moslems, are demonstrated to be responsible for].

Moslems engage in bare faced, shameless denial, and denial, and denial, and denial, and denial.

Moslems are a honourable and righteous people you see.

ANY other determination, 'does not compute', in the moslem brain.

A moslem, admit to an infidel, that he, a moslem, is flawed ?????

I have never heard of anything so absurd!!!!! Tongue

K,

You'd make a good moslem.

Ever considered converting ?

Rest assured, K, you'd be among, like minded souls. Wink

"Ye [moslems] are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors."
Koran 3.110

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #356 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:12am Surely if contemporary muslim nations adhered to this alleged prophetic example of no mminimum age, then that would be reflected in current laws yes? So why is it then that all but 3 out of 50 something muslim countries (according to this list) have a minimum age that is over 16?
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Reply #357 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:30am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Surely if contemporary muslim nations adhered to this alleged prophetic example of no mminimum age, then that would be reflected in current laws yes?

So why is it then that all but 3 out of 50 something muslim countries (according to this list) have a minimum age that is over 16?

gandalf,

Do moslems, always obey local secular law ?

Why is it, that we still see so many stories of members of the moslem community in the UK, who still take their < 16 years old daughters out of the UK, for a 'holiday' back to their homeland village, expressly to compel their young daughter to marry someone she does not know/has never met, and possibly cannot even speak the same language with ?

Google;
uk muslim girl forced marriage

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #358 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 10:34am how prevalent is it actually Y? Do you have any evidence other than anecdotes? Notice how many non-muslim nations were in that list of Soren's?
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #359 - Feb 26^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

Yadda wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 9:25am:

Soren wrote on Feb 26^th, 2014 at 5:42am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 25^th, 2014 at 10:15pm:

I do find the old boy tremendously brave though. Moses might find him guilty for letting the Muselman off too lightly.

Better change the stats, old chap. Just to be on the safe side, what.

The Western cases of arranged and child marriage occur among Muslims. Mohammed's example means that sharia courts resist setting minimum age limits for girl's above that of Mohammed's example with Aisha for Islamic, religious reasons (see Yemen).
In Muslim countries, Islam is at the front and centre of thinking about everything

True, old chap. And you've provided good examples of countries with no minimum age for marriage: Saudia Arabia, Yemen, and now Iran.

But please tell, old boy, if these countries follow the Prophet in every word and deed, then why aren't they in your list of top twenty countries?

Why are they surpassed by the Christian and Hindu countries of Nicuragua and India?

Please explain, dear boy.

Try getting any moslem [or any moslem jurisdiction] to acknowledge ANY nefarious behaviour [which they, moslems, are demonstrated to be responsible for].

Moslems engage in bare faced, shameless denial, and denial, and denial, and denial, and denial.

Are you saying they're pretending to the authorities that they're not married?

With the exception, perhaps, of Yemen, the countries the old boy mentioned record marriages. Saudi Arabia and Iran keep good records of births, deaths and marriages. Countries like Pakistan and Afghanistan are different, but they have age of consent laws similar to our own.

So what exactly is the Muselman denying?

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