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Reply #435 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:05pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:46pm:

I can say that because the cleric himself pointed out that it was not about Islam.

You care to point out where?

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Does the fact that Australian Muslims participated in, condoned, and solemnised the marriage not count as evidence that Australian Muslims are OK with this marriage?

A few definitely. But if you think this represents Australian Muslims in general, then you are going to have to supply us with some evidence, seeing as the only evidence I have found (and you have completely ignored) shows that Muslims are condemning it.

Also, feel free to address this part of my last post?

Stratos wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 5:54pm:

I'll not wait for you to try and find some actual evidence to suggest that Australian Muslims are somehow OK with this marriage, just continue to flail around and try and make it look like widespread condemnation is not related to Islam, and that a lack of evidence makes it a clear cut case.

Or are you happy for your evidence to be a complete lack of evidence again?

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Reply #436 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:12pm

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You care to point out where?

Yes. It was in the quote that was pasted above. I am merely pointing out that the cleric said what the cleric said.

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A few definitely. But if you think this represents Australian Muslims in general, then you are going to have to supply us with some evidence, seeing as the only evidence I have found (and you have completely ignored) shows that Muslims are condemning it.

So you have not seen the evidence we have been discussing? You have not seen Muslims right here on this forum trying to justify pedophilia?

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Also, feel free to address this part of my last post?

See my previous post.

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21786 A cat with a view	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #437 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:16pm Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:01am: Yes, Y, I’m a MusLim. Falah saifd we are all Muslims, isn’t it. Have you reported these paedophiles to Ray Hadley yet? He’ll need to know. A Freudian slip.
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #438 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:17pm freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:12pm: Yes. It was in the quote that was pasted above. I am merely pointing out that the cleric said what the cleric said. Where did he say it wasn't about islam?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #439 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:20pm Stratos wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:17pm: Where did he say it wasn't about islam? ditto
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #440 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:26pm

Yadda wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 10:01am:

Yes, Y, I’m a MusLim. Falah saifd we are all Muslims, isn’t it.

Have you reported these paedophiles to Ray Hadley yet?

He’ll need to know.

A Freudian slip.

Good observation skills there, Y. I meant to address FD.

The war is safe in your hands, I feel.

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Reply #441 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:29pm

Stratos wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:58pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 1:53pm:

Gandalf, can you explain how the Islamic community of Sydney should take responsibility and tackle this issue head on at the same time as insisting it is nothing to do with Islam and they share no responsibility for it?

Has anyone actually come forward to defend the people involved? If they have no one has posted here

meanwhile, Muslims groups are quick to condemn it.

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Muslim leaders have expressed their concern at the so-called marriage and the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, said it should be ''rejected and condemned from a legal and ethical perspective''.

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Muslim Women's Association executive officer Maha Abdo said ''there is no religious leader, imam or scholar in Australia that we work with that would conduct an Islamic wedding ceremony that involved an under-age child.''

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''There is nothing to hide here. This sort of behaviour is against Australian law and the Muslim community does not encourage or condone such a union,'' she said.
''We, as Australian Muslim women, like the rest of Australia are deeply concerned for the welfare of the young girl.''

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''Communities across all faiths should collaborate alongside the government to ensure such incidents do not occur in Australia.''

Seems like a pretty widespread condemnation.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #442 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:44pm Oh right, I'm sorry. I just thought when you say things like: freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:46pm: I can say that because the cleric himself pointed out that it was not about Islam. And you don't have evidence you would ahve the common sense to stop saying such dumb things. He never said that.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #443 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:46pm

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the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, said it should be ''rejected and condemned from a legal and ethical perspective''.

1. The grand mufti is presumably a muslim - his ethics cannot be anything other than islamic ethics.
2. This is about a million miles from "the cleric himself point[ing] out that it was not about Islam." For him to "point out that it was not about islam" - he would have to say... err.. that its not about islam - you know with actual words.

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Reply #444 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 5:24pm:

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[quote]Perhaps you’d like to read the Telegraph article everyone’s posting, FD. It quotes census statistics of underage defacto "marriages" all over NSW.

Sure, post a link. Or tell me what thread it is in.

You’ve responded to people linking the article, FD. You’ve responded to me quoting its figures.

Still, it doesn’t say what Muslims think, so I can see why you’ve avoided it. It quotes census figures on underage marriage in NSW.

Hardly relevant to the subject of this thread.

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Reply #445 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:52pm

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1. The grand mufti is presumably a muslim - his ethics cannot be anything other than islamic ethics.

Then you will have no trouble finding examples where he clarifies that Islam itself opposes what Muhammed, and this dodgy guy from Newcastle did, rather than suggesting a "legal and ethical" perspective. Do you think he meant Shariah law when he said legal, or secular Australian law?

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2. This is about a million miles from "the cleric himself point[ing] out that it was not about Islam.

Except that he pointed out from what "perspective" it should be condemned. He left Islam out of it.

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For him to "point out that it was not about islam" - he would have to say... err.. that its not about islam - you know with actual words.

Sure, the grand mufti is going to issue a press release highlighting the fact that Islam condones pedophilia, just so settle a debate on an internet forum. He clearly did his best to take a stand against it, despite his religion. He is similar to you actually, except that you go slightly further in your efforts to misrepresent Islam.

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Reply #446 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

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the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, said it should be ''rejected and condemned from a legal and ethical perspective''.

1. The grand mufti is presumably a muslim - his ethics cannot be anything other than islamic ethics.
2. This is about a million miles from "the cleric himself point[ing] out that it was not about Islam." For him to "point out that it was not about islam" - he would have to say... err.. that its not about islam - you know with actual words.

Not here, G. This is the Islam board. We have superior standards of proof here.

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #447 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:58pm Freediver, this was your statement: freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 6:46pm: I can say that because the cleric himself pointed out that it was not about Islam. Then you try and defend your blatant lie repeatedly. He said no such thing, stop trying to pretend otherwise.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #448 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 8:06pm

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Then you will have no trouble finding examples where he clarifies that Islam itself opposes what Muhammed

you're actually asking me for evidence.

freediver wrote on Mar 1^st, 2014 at 7:52pm:

Except that he pointed out from what "perspective" it should be condemned. He left Islam out of it.

So he did. In fact he also left out Santa Clause. Please tell me what he is "pointing out" about Santa Clause

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Reply #449 - Mar 1^st, 2014 at 8:39pm

FD seems to be of the opinion the the Grand Mufti is arguing from a legal and ethical perspective so that he can continue to promote sex with children from a spiritual and religious perspective.

Good point, FD.

I love it when we get tied down in these finicky nitpicking exercises. It really gets to the heart of the issue, I feel.

As long as we don’t let the Muselman off the hook - that’s the important thing.

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