Karnal:
Quote:You've been shown examples of Christians using their prophets to justify child sex abuse, and you've seen references to popes, some of whom kept harams of children.
I must have skipped over them.
Quote:And yet, no one here is even saying that this proves Christianity justifies underage sex. Jesus alledgedly married a prostitute, but who would ever argue this encourages prostitute marrying? Most Christians would tell you this goes against their faith.
I don't see how it would. If she remained a prostitute it would, but otherwise it sounds like a Christian sort of thing to do.
Quote:For you, Muhammed's example alone is enough evidence to say that Islam promotes paedophilia. Not even statements from Grand Muftis and other Muslim community leaders condemning child marriage are enough.
The Mufti was very careful with his words. Those who actually make this claim, such as Gandalf and Mr Trad, offer pretty unconvincing explanations of how something that Muhammed himself did can now be interpreted as going against everything Islam teaches. Gandalf refuses to elaborate on this principle beyond one or two sentences. Given that he is not aware of some of the basics (like Muhammed's concubines) I suspect he just doesn't know what he is talking about. That does not necessarily mean they do not believe it themselves, but to offer the "re-education" of Muslims who see Muhammed's example as a teaching of Islam is one of the most limp-wristed solutions I can imagine.
Quote:Not even a lack of Muslim child marriages in Australia are enough. Your evidence: Muhammed married a 6 year old, and a foreign student in Sydney married a 12 year old. That's it.
And the Islamic Health Service, and Gandalf, and plenty of other people, insisting it is a significant problem that needs to be addressed.
Quote:Gandalf has just told you that sex with children is not okay.
Sex with children is bad, mmmmkay
Quote:Based on this, i don't believe you that Abu and TC said it's okay either.
TC has in this very thread tried to explain that science permits us to have sex with children as soon as they are capable of bearing live young. Abu's take was that Islam permits and encourages arranged marriages. This may happen before the child reaches puberty, and the child may be taken away by the pedophile to live together, and the Muslim community trusts him to wait until she reaches puberty. He also countered that Muslims should obey local laws - much like the grand mufti.
Datalife:
Quote:By the standards of his time big Mo was not a paedo but by modern standards in most western countries to do the same today would be considered paedophilia.
So the definition of pedophilia has changed?
Quote:That Muslims take inspiration from big Mo and can justify themselves by emulating his example is the modern day legacy.
What are you trying to say?
Quote:I agree he was not a paedo by the standards of his time but you want it both ways, not a paedo then, and not a paedo now because of your ridiculous defence she had pubes and was mature.
You got it backwards. She had pubes and was mature because Muhammed was not a pedophile.
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