polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 9:19am:


How about underage girls being "shopped" on Facebook and being sent overseas to marry? This is the claim made in the Tele. Have you any personal knowledge of this yourself?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 9:19am:



And is that supposed to be irony, or farce ?

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 9:53am:



OR, we could explore the issue of the abduction and enslavement of young girls and young women, by moslems.




Consent in Marriage, OF YOUNG GIRLS AND YOUNG WOMEN, gandalf ?


Quote:

http://www.meforum.org/3775/child-brides



That account is shameful gandalf.

But of course, it has nuffin to do with ISLAM/moslems.         




Quote:

UK, young girls plied with drugs, then raped,
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1329870100/26#26






TrueISLAM,

In your assertions about the true, 'virtuous' nature of ISLAM, your assertions have no credibility, AT ALL.

If you want credibility, then you and all 'supposed' 'good' moslems would be fighting a 'Jihad' against moslem 'impersonators' like these [item below], who 'supposedly' are dragging ISLAM's 'good name' through a sewer.


And this evidence, is a REPUDIATION, of your assertion, that the ISLAM insists that consent of the woman must be obtained, before her marriage.....

Quote:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/somalia-al-shabaab-abducting-teenage-girls-to-...





The 'prophet' of ISLAM said that, a persons silence is [their] consent, [their] agreement [with what is happening].

Google;
mohammed silence is consent



"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50




Quote:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024393.php

Yes, Y, we've discussed those two cases at length. Is there any other proof of the epidemic?

G is pretending he doesn't know anything about it. Typical Moslem deflection.

Of course, we could always use G's deflection as proof of the epidemic.

FD, better put it in the Wiki.

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 11:24am:


It does concern me, Y, and I've explained why at length. My description of this phenomenon as a women's rights issue rather than a paedophile issue, of course, did not meet the superior peer-review standards of Ozpolitic's Islam Board. Your own referenced SMH article, I think, describes the phenomenon of child marriage well:

Quote:


You are, however, changing the perameters of a discussion on underage marriage in Sydney. Yemen is as far from Sydney as you can get: politically, culturally and economically. I don't think you'll find two societies as different as Yemen and Australia. Despite this, there is a campaign in Yemen to return the marriage age to 17, where it was in 1994. I don't know if this is the influence of Western NGOs or a shift within Yemen itself - perhaps coming from women's groups. 

"The evidence, of the prevalence, of the abuse of young girls and young women, by moslem men" in Sydney is, so far, two Islamic marriages.

In one of those cases, the girl reported that she was married against her will, and sexually and physically abused. The other case has not yet gone to court, but the girl's father alledges that the 12 year old girl was in love and consented to the "marriage".

This claim will be tested in court. Is it certainly possible, given the census figures on underage non-Muslim defacto marriages in NSW. As I've explained, I know of many underage defacto relationships in Sydney. While I don't support them, they exist. They are a phenomenon as old as Romeo and juliet, which I believe was originally a Persian folk story before it was dramatised by Shakespeare.

Again, if you have any actual evidence of an epidemic of child marriaged in Sydney, please let us all know. The old boy provided good evidence of three Muslim states with no minimum age for marriage. This provided me with an awareness of this issue as a Muslim phenomenon. As your SMH article shows, those who are rallying against a minimum age for marriage in Yemen are senior Muslim clerics of the most fundamentalist persuasion.

I am definitely concerned about this - particularly the use of apostacy laws to discourage debate. I haven't heard their arguments, but as far as I can tell, these clerics fit the mould of fundamentalist old boys everywhere. They are old boy cranks straight from Central Casting. With turbans. 

But Yemen is not Australia, and Australia is not Yemen. Again, if you have evidence of a child marriage epidemic in Australia, just tell me what it is. If it's true, I'll be the first to join you in a good old moan.

It is a jolly world, no?

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:



K,

And how likely is it that the moslem community themselves are going to address this abomination in their midst in our midst, when moslem community leaders themselves, are decrying any public scrutiny of this issue of child marriage, within the moslem community - IN AUSTRALIA ?






The question here is NOT, whether or not the phenomenon of child marriage is happening in Australia.

We know that it is happening, here, in Australia!

But how can we - first - legally compel the moslem community to stop hiding it!!!







Look carefully at the form of words that the Australian moslem community has used, in responding to this 'incident' - that has come to the light.


Quote:

http://bernardgaynor.com.au/australias-imams-condemn-media-coverage-of-child-mar...i

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:


No.

Not with 'jolly' appeasers of evil, pandering to the 'sensibilities' of wicked men.

aren't you always banging on about how Islam is a completely separate entity to anything outside of it?  As in, within Islam there is only Islam?

Funny how you conveniently choose not to believe this is the case when interpreting the words of a Senior Muslim cleric when you decide it suits you.

Still, not as crazy as your advocacy of genocide and baby killing though, and you failure to love Muslims despite your religion commanding it.  You don't have faith Yadda, just an excuse to hate people.

Do you have evidence of the Muslim community hiding another child marriage? By Karnal.

It's very probable there are more. Things like that are never one offs.