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Reply #630 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:19pm

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

And we can always count on you, dear Boy. You’re now excusing and appeasing Mormons and Christian child sex cults.

Really? You are hallucinating again, PB - or making it up as you go.
We call it anosognosia in the profession - a lack of awareness of just how unmoored you really are.

It might be worth removing the moor in your own eye, dear boy. Freudian, heal thyself.

As we have proven, the count of Christian to Muslim child sexual abuse stats in Australia stands at about 5000 to 1.

Still, we know this is shifting. FD’s about to uncover proof of a despicable Muselman paedophile ring, so the jury is still out on this one.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #631 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Muslims countries (Saudi, Yemen) that refuse to set a minimum age for marriage do so on explicitly Islamic (ie 'what would Mohammed do") grounds.

Is that not grounded in Muslim beliefs from where you are sitting?

Yes, I believe there are 3. Apparently the rest of the 50 something muslim countries do actually have a minimum age of 16 or above.

But we can ignore that S. Obviously having the vast majority of muslim countries banning child marriage demonstrates no sort of pattern at all about grounded muslim beliefs. No siree, not a thing.

Never ever on stilts.

Maybe you can post a video of that pompous old git to settle this.

Many of the ones who have a legal limit close a blind eye to violations. So setting law as a sop to non-Muslim sensibilities but not enforcing them as a bow (submission Wink

) to Muslim sensibilities-there you have them in a nutshell.
And they will excuse it and condone it on impeccably Islamic grounds - not on the basis of pre-Islamic customs.
No pre-islamic custom would be accepted in an islamic/Muslim country as sufficient reasons to go against Islamic ruling. This is why 'underage marriage is against Islam" is complete hooey. It is absolutely not against Islam. And the heart of Islam (the Arabian peninsula) refuses to set a minimum age for Islamic reasons.

It is a custom reinforced by the example set by Mohammed. This is why Islam has everything to do with kiddie fiddling in Islamic jurisdictions - who would dare to go against clear Islamic values in Muslim countries??

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #632 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:29pm

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Muslims countries (Saudi, Yemen) that refuse to set a minimum age for marriage do so on explicitly Islamic (ie 'what would Mohammed do") grounds.

Is that not grounded in Muslim beliefs from where you are sitting?

Yes, I believe there are 3. Apparently the rest of the 50 something muslim countries do actually have a minimum age of 16 or above.

But we can ignore that S. Obviously having the vast majority of muslim countries banning child marriage demonstrates no sort of pattern at all about grounded muslim beliefs. No siree, not a thing.

Never ever on stilts.

Maybe you can post a video of that pompous old git to settle this.

Many of the ones who have a legal limit close a blind eye to violations. So setting law as a sop to non-Muslim sensibilities but not enforcing them as a bow (submission Wink

) to Muslim sensibilities-there you have them in a nutshell.
And they will excuse it and condone it on impeccably Islamic grounds - not on the basis of pre-Islamic customs.
No pre-islamic custom would be accepted in an islamic/Muslim country as sufficient reasons to go against Islamic ruling. This is why 'underage marriage is against Islam" is complete hooey. It is absolutely not against Islam. And the heart of Islam (the Arabian peninsula) refuses to set a minimum age for Islamic reasons.

It is a custom reinforced by the example set by Mohammed. This is why Islam has everything to do with kiddie fiddling in Islamic jurisdictions - who would dare to go against clear Islamic values in Muslim countries??

Quite right, old chap. Your Hindu has a minimum legal age of marriage of 18..47%, however, are married by 15.

Hideous kiddy-fiddlers and ne’er-do-wells, the lot of them.

Is this a tinted issue, or a Musel one? I forget.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #633 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:29pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:12pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:58pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:27pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 7:31pm:

No I am not, because I am not saying what you attribute to me.

FD - I charge you with claiming that there is a child-marriage "problem" in the Australian muslim community - as per your post prior to this one. Yadda calls it an epidemic. I suppose you have given yourself slightly more room to maneuver than Yadda, but it is clear that you are basically on the same page as Yadda. This is obvious from several lines of argument you have pushed throughout the thread:

Not so, gandalf.

Please do read my posts, and pay attention, gandalf.

And here we have the most spineless post of the lot.

No epidemic eh, Y?

Two underage Moslem marriages in Australia is not an epidemic?

Your type should be reported to the police. There are Moslem girls out there suffering. There are Moslem men seeking spousal benefits.

You people make me sick to my stomach.

K,

THIS IS HOW I EXPRESSED MYSELF.......

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1391854581/550#550
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Google;
epidemic of Muslim child marriages, UK

K,

That very many child marriages within the Australian moslem community have not yet been exposed [to the same extent that child marriages within the moslem community have been exposed in the UK], does not prove that child marriage, within the Australian moslem community, is not prevalent.

K,

Many commentators claim that there is an epidemic of moslem child marriages, in the UK.

Again;
Just because we don't know the true extent of that problem in Australia, does not mean that the problem of child marriages within the moslem community [within Australia], is not prevalent.

If it is not prevalent in the moslem community, in Australia - prove it. [e.g. let the moslem community compile a PUBLIC register of marriages, and the ages of those people in those unions!]

And lets have the Mufti of Australia, come out and publicly declare, that ISLAM condemns such [underage] unions.

And if the Mufti of Australia WILL NOT come out and openly say that ISLAM condemns such unions - why could that be ?

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #634 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:34pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

And we can always count on you, dear Boy. You’re now excusing and appeasing Mormons and Christian child sex cults.

Really? You are hallucinating again, PB - or making it up as you go.
We call it anosognosia in the profession - a lack of awareness of just how unmoored you really are.

It might be worth removing the moor in your own eye, dear boy. Freudian, heal thyself.

As we have proven, the count of Christian to Muslim child sexual abuse stats in Australia stands at about 5000 to 1.

Still, we know this is shifting. FD’s about to uncover proof of a despicable Muselman paedophile ring, so the jury is still out on this one.

Utter bollocks on stilts, PB. You are just making up nonsense.

Who said this:

We are told that child sex abuse happens ‘in all communities’, that white men are really far more likely to be abusers, as has been shown by the fall-out from the Jimmy Savile case.
One particularly misguided commentary argued that the predators’ religion was an irrelevance, for what really mattered was that most of them worked in the night-time economy as taxi drivers, just as in the Rochdale child sex scandal many of the abusers worked in kebab houses, so they had far more opportunities to target vulnerable girls.
'As so often in fearful, politically correct modern Britain, there is a craven unwillingness to face up to the reality that their actions are tied up with religion and race'
But all this is deluded nonsense. While it is, of course, true that abuse happens in all communities, no amount of obfuscation can hide the pattern that has been exposed in a series of recent chilling scandals, from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby.
In all these incidents, the abusers were Muslim men, and their targets were under-age white girls.
Moreover, reputable studies show that around [color=#ff0000]

26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population

.
To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2325185/The-Oxford-sex-ring-preachers-teach-young-Muslim-men-white-girls-cheap.html#ixzz2vBYCqb00

Said by a muslim man, no less.

he is denounced for his efforts, of course, by the likes of you and Gandy.
http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/taj-hargey-jumps-on-muslim-grooming-bandwagon...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96591	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #635 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:37pm Much better, Y. Just because we don’t have evidence of more than two Moslem child marriages doesn’t mean there’s no epidemic. We’ll find something eventually, no? FD’s already working on the Grand Mufti’s statement. Don’t you worry. We’ll uncover something before long.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #636 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:47pm

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:19pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Feb 27^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

And we can always count on you, dear Boy. You’re now excusing and appeasing Mormons and Christian child sex cults.

Really? You are hallucinating again, PB - or making it up as you go.
We call it anosognosia in the profession - a lack of awareness of just how unmoored you really are.

It might be worth removing the moor in your own eye, dear boy. Freudian, heal thyself.

As we have proven, the count of Christian to Muslim child sexual abuse stats in Australia stands at about 5000 to 1.

Still, we know this is shifting. FD’s about to uncover proof of a despicable Muselman paedophile ring, so the jury is still out on this one.

Utter bollocks on stilts, PB. You are just making up nonsense.

Who said this:

We are told that child sex abuse happens ‘in all communities’, that white men are really far more likely to be abusers, as has been shown by the fall-out from the Jimmy Savile case.
One particularly misguided commentary argued that the predators’ religion was an irrelevance, for what really mattered was that most of them worked in the night-time economy as taxi drivers, just as in the Rochdale child sex scandal many of the abusers worked in kebab houses, so they had far more opportunities to target vulnerable girls.
'As so often in fearful, politically correct modern Britain, there is a craven unwillingness to face up to the reality that their actions are tied up with religion and race'
But all this is deluded nonsense. While it is, of course, true that abuse happens in all communities, no amount of obfuscation can hide the pattern that has been exposed in a series of recent chilling scandals, from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby.
In all these incidents, the abusers were Muslim men, and their targets were under-age white girls.
Moreover, reputable studies show that around [color=#ff0000]

26 per cent of those involved in grooming and exploitation rings are Muslims, which is around five times higher than the proportion of Muslims in the adult male population

.
To pretend that this is not an issue for the Islamic community is to fall into a state of ideological denial.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2325185/The-Oxford-sex-ring-preachers-teach-young-Muslim-men-white-girls-cheap.html#ixzz2vBYCqb00

Said by a muslim man, no less.

he is denounced for his efforts, of course, by the likes of you and Gandy.
http://www.islamophobiawatch.co.uk/taj-hargey-jumps-on-muslim-grooming-bandwagon...

Thank you for the contribution, old chap. We’ll put it in the Wiki. A British article from last May off a site called Islamophobia Watch. "Imams promote grooming rings". Marvellous stuff. Very highbrow for you, dear boy.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #637 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:53pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:37pm:

Much better, Y.

Just because we don’t have evidence of more than two Moslem child marriages doesn’t mean there’s no epidemic.

We’ll find something eventually, no? FD’s already working on the Grand Mufti’s statement.

Don’t you worry. We’ll uncover something before long.

You silly boy.

Just because we don’t have evidence of more than two Moslem child marriages doesn’t mean there’s no epidemic.

Just because we don't know the true extent of the problem of moslem child marriages in Australia, does not mean that the problem of child marriages within the moslem community [within Australia], is not prevalent.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #638 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:55pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:21pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 9:34pm:

Muslims countries (Saudi, Yemen) that refuse to set a minimum age for marriage do so on explicitly Islamic (ie 'what would Mohammed do") grounds.

Is that not grounded in Muslim beliefs from where you are sitting?

Yes, I believe there are 3. Apparently the rest of the 50 something muslim countries do actually have a minimum age of 16 or above.

But we can ignore that S. Obviously having the vast majority of muslim countries banning child marriage demonstrates no sort of pattern at all about grounded muslim beliefs. No siree, not a thing.

Never ever on stilts.

Maybe you can post a video of that pompous old git to settle this.

Many of the ones who have a legal limit close a blind eye to violations. So setting law as a sop to non-Muslim sensibilities but not enforcing them as a bow (submission Wink

) to Muslim sensibilities-there you have them in a nutshell.
And they will excuse it and condone it on impeccably Islamic grounds - not on the basis of pre-Islamic customs.
No pre-islamic custom would be accepted in an islamic/Muslim country as sufficient reasons to go against Islamic ruling. This is why 'underage marriage is against Islam" is complete hooey. It is absolutely not against Islam. And the heart of Islam (the Arabian peninsula) refuses to set a minimum age for Islamic reasons.

It is a custom reinforced by the example set by Mohammed. This is why Islam has everything to do with kiddie fiddling in Islamic jurisdictions - who would dare to go against clear Islamic values in Muslim countries??

Quite right, old chap. Your Hindu has a minimum legal age of marriage of 18..47%, however, are married by 15.

Hideous kiddy-fiddlers and ne’er-do-wells, the lot of them.

Is this a tinted issue, or a Musel one? I forget.

For Muslims, it is a Muslim issue as Islam and Mohammed do not set a minimum age. Under Islam, you can marry little bleeders, to coin a phrase.

Re Hindus - what difference does it make to Muslim what the Hindus think or do? ( I am surprised you are not rolling out standard Muslims 'yeah but what about the jooooo' argument).

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #639 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 11:00pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 10:47pm: