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Reply #660 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 4:57am
 


Behind the UK's underage Muslim marriage epidemic
Published October 7th, 2013

http://www.albawaba.com/news/britain-muslim-underage-marriages-525390
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With recent stories coming to light about the terrible plight about child brides across the Middle East, one would be forgiven for thinking that [UK] Muslim clerics may think twice before attempting to wed off young girls.

A British investigation has shone a light onto the 'match-making skills' of dozens of Muslim clerics who were caught on camera agreeing to marry of girls as young as 14.

Four of the imams caught on ITV's Exposure programme are now under investigation from the police after they offered to arrange the illegal ceremonies, the UK's Daily Mail reported Monday.

Posing as the mother and brother of a 14-year-old girl who was ready to be married off, two undercover reporters visited some 56 mosques across Britain asking clerics if they could perform an Islamic marriage ceremony, known as a nikah.

During the course of the filming, Imams at 18 of the mosques agreed to perform the ceremony, despite the fictional girl barely having reached puberty.

One of the Imams who agreed to the nikah ceremony was willing to perform the rituals despite being told that the 'bride' was being forced to move in with a man against her wishes, the Daily Mail reported.

When told the girl did not want to get married, Mohammed Shahid Akhtar, of the Central Jamia Mosque Ghamkol Sharif in Birmingham, replied: “She’s 14. By sharia, grace of God, she’s legal to get married.

“Obviously Islam has made it easy for us. There is nothing against that. We’re doing it because it’s OK through Islam,” according to the Daily Mail.







polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 1:05pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 12:33pm:
Gandalf, how is it that the Imam from Newcastle, and these foreign ones, all ended up supporting something that "goes against everything Islam teaches"?


We could have another endless theological debate, or we can be satisfied with the fact that the only opinions we have heard from Australia's mainstream muslim leaders is that it [the marriage of underage girls] is unacceptable and should be stamped out.





It is comforting to know that Australia's mainstream moslem leaders have let it be publicly known [to us lowly infidels], that the marriage of underage girls [cannot be conducted under the auspices of ISLAM, and] is unacceptable and should be stamped out.

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We [the broader Australian community] seem to have been assured by the moslem community [here in Australia] that the marriage of underage girls [within the Australian moslem community] is unacceptable and is not condoned by that community.


BUT I SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE CREDIBILITY OF THE MOSLEM COMMUNITY, WITH SUCH A DECLARATION BEING MADE.


Would the mainstream moslem community in Australia have Australians believe that ISLAM in Australia, bears absolutely no resemblance to ISLAM in the UK ?

If indeed such a suggestion is being made, is that suggestion credible ?




According to ISLAMIC doctrine and tradition, there is only one worldwide moslem jurisdiction/community.

Dictionary;
umma = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.



"Muslims are one ummah (community)
to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders."
Ishaq:231






Shouldn't we 'legitimately' be able to compare ISLAM [the moslem community] in Australia, with the ISLAM [the moslem community] in the UK ?

And shouldn't we expect these two ISLAMIC communities to share the same [or very similar] cultural values ?

And can we 'legitimately' ask, why does the moslem community in the UK apparently condone [n.b. 'behind closed doors'] the marriage of underage girls ?

Should moslems just 'front up' and tell us infidels, the truth ?

That the marriage of underage girls in moslem communities is actually condoned within ISLAM!

And also, that the non-moslem community should just 'but out' and mind their own business, and leave the moslem community to its own lawful practices ?

I mean, what right do disbelievers have, to tell the moslem community, how to behave and conduct itself ?      Shocked





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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #661 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 6:54am
 
What kind of Mother or human being would allow a child to sleep with dozens of men everynight ?Damn muslims they never learn


Brothel owners banned in Victoria for employing underage prostitutes now running big brothels in Sydney



BROTHEL owners banned in Victoria for employing under age prostitutes have moved across the border and are now among those running some of Sydney’s biggest brothels. 
 
An investigation by The Saturday Telegraph into the city’s biggest legal brothel barons has found four have criminal pasts, with two of them banned from running brothels in Victoria and one who has denied links to the illegal sex trade.

Liaisons brothel owner Mark Gray’s licence was revoked in Victoria for employing an underage prostitute but he still employed a 16-year-old at his Edgecliff brothel after her mother forged the girl’s birth certificate.

The revelations have led to calls for Premier Barry O’Farrell to dust off his election promise and review the licensing laws and probity checks on the owners of NSW’s 400 legal brothels.

“We need licensing to keep criminals out of the legal brothel industry,” said Chris Seage, who investigates illegal brothels for councils and the sex industry.

The call was backed by some of Sydney’s biggest brothel madams. Linda Pickard, who owns La Petite Aroma and Victoria’s Secrets in Chatswood, said: “We definitely need licensing.” Special Minister of State Anthony Roberts’ spokesman said the government was reviewing feedback on the regulation of brothels.
There are an estimated 200 brothels within 20km of the CBD employing about 1500 girls a night. They have sex with strangers for as little as $130 for half an hour to keep the brothel barons in luxurious homes, driving imported cars and sending their children to private schools.

Mark Gray, who lives with his parents on the Gold Coast, owns two of Sydney’s biggest brothels — The Golden Apple and Liasions. His licence was revoked in Victoria for five years after employing an underage girl.

“I accidentally forgot to follow up and check the identification of a new lady who applied for work,” he said. He was fined but there was no conviction.

Four years ago Liasions employed a 16-year-old girl. At the mother’s trial for child prostitution over forging her birth certificate, Judge Paul Conlon described Liasions as “a high class agency, however frequented by low class individuals”. The girl was charged out at $330 an hour and serviced 18 clients in a 13-hour shift.

Mr Gray yesterday said the birth certificate was a perfect copy and the police had not pursued his brothel, only the mother.

Graham Harvey, who owns Centrefolds brothels in Artarmon, Gosford and Albury, was also barred from operating brothels in Victoria in 1996 after receiving a two-year suspended sentence for offences relating to child prostitution.

“I had an issue there 20 years ago, it’s all on the public record,” he said.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #662 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
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Interesting how the papers spin these things, don't you think? This case has been reported along with the other case to provide justification for the epidemic. No details have been provided, and the bi-line reads "it’s revealed hundreds are forced into arranged and unregistered marriages across NSW".


Sinister, no?

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You liked my "tone" for obvious reasons - and those reasons have nothing to do with the actual facts of the case.


Yes. I thought you were going to take responsibility and tackle an issue head on. Not try to "inform" child marrying Muslims that the example set by Muhammed goes against everything Islam teaches.

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If I had made a spiel about how muslims should take responsibility for persecuting purple monkeys on the moon, you would no doubt be "contributing" to that discussion the same way


I find your interpretation of "taking responsibility" interesting, and would like to know more.

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Which of course is completely different to FD 2007. He would have been decrying the "muslim bashing over one or two scare stories".


I think you'll find that the FD of 2007 advised getting Muslims themselves in on the debate for some balance.

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Your line by line quip responses are ever so clever, but you are completely missing the point. If you want to criticise me for changing my mind after learning the facts


I criticised you before you changed your mind. Both of your positions were weak as piss.

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And of course we all know that if I changed from saying this had nothing to do with muslims to then conceding this was a muslim responsibility, FD would have been all over me for being guilty of going back on my word right


That is what happens when you charge me with the exact same thing you just did Gandalf.

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In fact you even shot yourself in the foot by stating that a "mainstream muslim" would obey Australian law, and therefore not partake in the practice.


How is this shooting myself in the foot? I said pretty much the same thing about the grand Mufti. Was I shooting myself in the foot then also, or does it only count when you realise what I am actually saying?

Karnal:

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Think about it. How would a husband who repeatedly raped and abused his wife in a "forced" underage marriage escape punishment after being been found guilty in an Australian court?


I believe you have answered that very question several times during this thread.
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #663 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:06am
 
I was told this is rare in OZ.

When Zulal Morsal Kirimi was 15, she was forced to marry a man twice her age from Afghanistan


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/battered-and-too-frightened-to-say-n...
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Reply #664 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:15am
 
Thanks Adam. Is that the second case Karnal has been going on about, or a third case?
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Reply #665 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:17am
 
Adamant wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:06am:
I was told this is rare in OZ.


It is rare in oz.

Combining this story with the marriage from the other week, you have two cases in 24 years.

I'm guessing you didn't read the article again, or you would have realised that.


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Reply #666 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:20am
 
What's this about 24 years?
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Reply #667 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:27am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:20am:
What's this about 24 years?


My God, you really didn't read it did you?
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Reply #668 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:27am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 9:34am:
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Interesting how the papers spin these things, don't you think? This case has been reported along with the other case to provide justification for the epidemic. No details have been provided, and the bi-line reads "it’s revealed hundreds are forced into arranged and unregistered marriages across NSW".


Sinister, no?

Gandalf:

Quote:
You liked my "tone" for obvious reasons - and those reasons have nothing to do with the actual facts of the case.


Yes. I thought you were going to take responsibility and tackle an issue head on. Not try to "inform" child marrying Muslims that the example set by Muhammed goes against everything Islam teaches.

Quote:
If I had made a spiel about how muslims should take responsibility for persecuting purple monkeys on the moon, you would no doubt be "contributing" to that discussion the same way


I find your interpretation of "taking responsibility" interesting, and would like to know more.

Quote:
Which of course is completely different to FD 2007. He would have been decrying the "muslim bashing over one or two scare stories".


I think you'll find that the FD of 2007 advised getting Muslims themselves in on the debate for some balance.

Quote:
Your line by line quip responses are ever so clever, but you are completely missing the point. If you want to criticise me for changing my mind after learning the facts


I criticised you before you changed your mind. Both of your positions were weak as piss.

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And of course we all know that if I changed from saying this had nothing to do with muslims to then conceding this was a muslim responsibility, FD would have been all over me for being guilty of going back on my word right


That is what happens when you charge me with the exact same thing you just did Gandalf.

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In fact you even shot yourself in the foot by stating that a "mainstream muslim" would obey Australian law, and therefore not partake in the practice.


How is this shooting myself in the foot? I said pretty much the same thing about the grand Mufti. Was I shooting myself in the foot then also, or does it only count when you realise what I am actually saying?

Karnal:

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Think about it. How would a husband who repeatedly raped and abused his wife in a "forced" underage marriage escape punishment after being been found guilty in an Australian court?


I believe you have answered that very question several times during this thread.


What’s the answer, FD?
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Reply #669 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:31am
 
Adamant wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:06am:
I was told this is rare in OZ.

When Zulal Morsal Kirimi was 15, she was forced to marry a man twice her age from Afghanistan


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/battered-and-too-frightened-to-say-n...


Please cut and paste it, Adamant. There’s a paywall.

I’d like to read this one.
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Reply #670 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Stratos wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:27am:
freediver wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:20am:
What's this about 24 years?


My God, you really didn't read it did you? 


Obviously not, Genius.
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Reply #671 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:48am
 
"It says there are three thousand underage people are married or in a de facto relationship within Australia.
Victorian Immigrant and Refugee Women's Coalition executive director said it was difficult prevalent forced and arranged  marriages were in Australia. She said her organization saw 150 women a week and was researching this within its own network."

Did you read the article Stratos?

I buy the News Paper so no cut and paste sorry Kernal
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Reply #672 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:50am
 
15+X= 39 

Solve for X

Or better yet, actually read your freakin sources!

Pathetic

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Reply #673 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:56am
 
Adamant wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:48am:
"It says there are three thousand underage people are married or in a de facto relationship within Australia.
Victorian Immigrant and Refugee Women's Coalition executive director said it was difficult prevalent forced and arranged  marriages were in Australia. She said her organization saw 150 women a week and was researching this within its own network."

Did you read the article Stratos?

I buy the News Paper so no cut and paste sorry Kernal


Ah yes, I remember that statistic.  3000 under-age de-facto marriages were recorded in the 2011 census.   57% of them are actually identified as Christians.
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Reply #674 - Mar 8th, 2014 at 11:05am
 
Stratos wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:17am:
Adamant wrote on Mar 8th, 2014 at 10:06am:
I was told this is rare in OZ.


It is rare in oz.

Combining this story with the marriage from the other week, you have two cases in 24 years.

I'm guessing you didn't read the article again, or you would have realised that.




24 years? Where does it say that, My atheist self you did not read the article.
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