Well maybe they should ask him.  He's on Facebook after all, I even linked his profile

Stratos wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:




How can moslems say something is legally and ethically wrong, and yet, that 'something', can still find support [in the moslem community] ?


Stratos,

CONSIDER;
In the same [moslem] universe - a devout moslem can claim that he is NOT a moslem, AND YET, the moslem is and always remains, a moslem.

So, explain how that can be, Stratos ?






Sometimes moslems will blatantly lie, and at other times [when it is strategically important to their community] moslems will play legalistic word games, in their communications with an infidel authority.

And a moslem can make a statement which appears to indicate a particular [ethical] position - when in fact that statement can be interpreted to mean something else.


Again, a moslem can make a statement which appears to indicate a particular [ethical] position.

But in two years time, when you pull up the moslem, and remind him;

"But what you are saying today, does not square with, and is not in accord with, what you said [two years ago]."

The moslem has a 'get out'.

He will reply;
[/i]






With moslems, you always must be aware of the form of words that are being used by moslems [to express their position], and be aware of how many different ways that the form of words being used, can be interpreted.

Quote:



Quote:







e.g.
Quote:



Stratos,

Does Dr Ameer Ali, literally mean, that Australia is a moslem nation ?

Or [with such a form of words], is Dr Ameer Ali 'stroking' the intellectual psyche of Australians that read his comments ?

Flailing wildly to try and answer a counter a very simple argument just makes you look all the more desperate.

Do you have any evidence other than no evidence to support your argument?

I'm guessing if you did you wouldn't resort to someone saying that child marriage is legally and ethically wrong, as evidence that they support it. 

Hey, I just realised I can use Yadda logic!
Yadda wrote on Mar 8^th, 2014 at 11:40pm:


Yadda is clearly stating here that guns are not weapons, because words are weapons.  He never specifically mentioned they are, so yadda clearly supports gun violence.

yadda would also like you to believe he doesn't eat babies, but he's never gone on record saying he doesn't.  He's probably too busy eating babies.

Stratos wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 12:22am:


Moslems are just like us ?

Yadda is flailing about ?

Yadda is a desperate individual ?



Stratos,

I'm wanting to separate myself from people like yourself, that is all.





Quote:


Gun violence, who are those that support [or are involved with] gun violence ?

Look at the moslems, the Australian moslems, who are travelling to places Syria to be 'aid workers'.



Stratos,

Those poor, poor, innocent moslems.

Wherever they go, moslems taste the bitterness of injustices against them, and murders committed against them.

Woe it is, to be a moslem!

Woe it is, to associate yourself with, the moslem!

But all nations today, are doing just that.







Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.


Psalms 120:5
Woe is me, that I sojourn in Mesech, that I dwell in the tents of Kedar!
6  My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.
7  I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.


Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Stratos wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 5:52am:


You choose to ignore most questions asked.

Why does anybody have to kowtow to you Richard Cranium

Stratos wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 12:22am:



My argument - that moslems use words, to deceive those whom they communicate with, so as to be able to deflect any immediate scrutiny and criticism of ISLAM/moslems, away from themselves, and the moslem community.






Stratos,

Moslems says things.

But moslems will often use a form of words, so that the words used, [intentionally] don't necessarily mean what we [others] think that they mean.

e.g.
The moslem will tell us, that 'good' moslems oppose terrorists and terrorism.

But [what the moslem is really conveying with the words he uses, is that] moslem terrorists ARE NOT TERRORISTS.

e.g.
Moslems who travel to Syria, to kill their enemies, in the name of ISLAM, for the glory of Allah, ARE NOT TERRORISTS.

The moslem psyche can come to a place, and declare that;

Moslem terrorists are really 'counter-terrorists' - fighting in support of peace!

[.......because [in the moslem mind!] 'peace', is what submission to ISLAM is, and 'peace', is what submission to ISLAM brings.]


Why so ?

Because [in the moslem mind!] moslem terrorists are fighting against those who are the real 'terrorists' - those who oppose the spread of Allah's religion of 'peace' - ISLAM.

e.g.
Quote:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21973518-23109,00.html


DID YOU GET THAT ???

HARDLINE Islamic cleric Abu Bakar Bashir said today that extremists blamed for Indonesian bombings were role models for other Muslims

Many moslems in their own minds, firmly believe, that moslem terrorists, ARE NOT TERRORISTS.

But that moslem terrorists are role models for other moslems.

as per.....
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111ihttp://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1354364015/14#14
Quote:






Stratos,

The good moslem will declare [to the non-moslem] until the moslem is blue in the face, that;





But the moslem fails to declare, that ISLAMISTS [all moslems!] define a legitimate meaning of the word 'terrorism' as, ...resisting Allah's will.

And even when ever moslems use intimidation and violence to spread Allah's 'perfect' religion,
....moslem intimidation and violence is NOT TERRORISM, but is merely the righteous moslem, expressing Allah's will toward the infidel.

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


Which fosters a mental attitude [towards those who are not moslems], which allows moslems [in their minds] a total abrogation of any moral responsibility, for all conflicts which moslems have with disbelievers.



Google;
those who resist Islam cause wars, and are responsible for them






A good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry...

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html

Y doesn’t have any evidence, but he has a lot of "experience" with Moslems. He reads their words on placards from photos taken in London in 2003, so he knows what’s going on.

Yes, Y has no evidence and has probably started to twig that an explosion of Muslim child marriages in Australia would be next to impossible.

Not only do we have evidence of the Newcastle imam turning away the 12 year old’s father, we have the statements of the Grand Mufti, Kayser Trad and others. The Pakistani imam who married the 12 year old was thrown out of the Islamic Council, and is now being deported. The Muslim community in Australia is clear: no underage marriages are to be porformed under any circumstances.

Y will say they actually mean something else, but he knows the score by now. The consequence of being caught marrying off a child bride is a form of excommunication - not to mention being arrested, having your photo on page one of the Tele and being refused bail in prison.

No one in their right mind would risk this merely on the example of their prophet. It’s not as if there’s money in being a marriage celebrant.

Y and FD are just trying to save face. All those Bible quotes and Y hasn’t grasped the central idea of Christianity: forgiveness and the confession of sins. Y would rather prop up a lie than admit his errors. Y’s Bible quotes read as hollow and shrill because he doesn’t practice them - I doubt he even understands them on anymore than the thinnest intellectual basis. Sophistry examples 1,2 and 3. I love it. The projection is blinding.

Again, if anyone has any evidence, simply post it. We all know that convoluted rhetorical exegesis on the statements of Muslims are not going to wash.

There is clearly no explosion of child marriage in Australia. I doubt very much one will be uncovered. Nor is there any more child marriage going on in traditional Muslim countries than there are in Christian countries (in Africa and Latin America) and India. India has more child marriages than the total of all other countries put together. These statistics are posted in this thread.

In Australia, the population with the highest child defacto relationships is most likely Aboriginal. I haven’t seen the stats on this, but the census data points to areas with high Aboriginal populations. The census data for underage defacto marriage for Muslims, as we have discussed, is 6% of the total. No one here is quibbling with or contesting these figures.

In the absence of any other information, the only sane and logical conclusion is that child marriage among Muslims in Australia is not a problem. Trying to pretend it is is just vanity of the most tabloid imagination - real Andrew Bolt style fiction. Real Alan Jones style paid-up propaganda.

It all, of course, goes against Y’s wonderful Bible quotes about truth, and Y’s blindingly hypocritical statements about Muslim deceit. After passionately provoking a debate on Muslim child marriage in Sydney for 40 plus pages, Y and FD would now rather discuss anything else.

Yes friends, ignorance is strength.

But Gud is great.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:


No, you are discussing the words of one Muslim who said something is legally and morally wrong, and arguing that this means somehow that it is being supported, when it is literally being condemned.

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:


Lol

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:40pm:


Is a religious leader says something is morally wrong, what the hell do you think he's referring to?