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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #75 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:19am

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

What definition of 'child' should be used? The scientific definition or the politicians' definition? Do they stop being a child when they reach the legislated deemed age of possible criminal responsibility (10 in every jurisdiction in Australia)?

Do they stop being a child at age 12 when they are lowed to have sex with someone 2 years older than themselves?

Do they stop being a child at age 14 when being too young to know the difference between right and wrong no longer remains a possible criminal defence?

Do they stop being a child at 16 when they are allowed to have sex with everyone except their teachers?

Do they stop being a child at 18 when they are finally allowed to marry?

Australian laws regarding the transition to adulthood- straightforward?

Are you trying to say Islamic laws on child sex and marriage are superior to Australian laws TC?

Science says children giving birth have a much greater risk of Obstetric fistula, did the politicians listen to the scientists when they outlawed child marriage, why do muslims ignore what medical science says about Obstetric fistulas when promoting Islamic child marriages?

https://www.google.com.au/#q=obstetric+fistula

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #76 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:20am

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

What definition of 'child' should be used? The scientific definition or the politicians' definition? Do they stop being a child when they reach the legislated deemed age of possible criminal responsibility (10 in every jurisdiction in Australia)?

Do they stop being a child at age 12 when they are lowed to have sex with someone 2 years older than themselves?

Do they stop being a child at age 14 when being too young to know the difference between right and wrong no longer remains a possible criminal defence?

Do they stop being a child at 16 when they are allowed to have sex with everyone except their teachers?

Do they stop being a child at 18 when they are finally allowed to marry?

Australian laws regarding the transition to adulthood- straightforward?

Are you trying to say Islamic laws on child sex and marriage are superior to Australian laws TC?

Science says children giving birth have a much greater risk of Obstetric fistula, did the politicians listen to the scientists when they outlawed child marriage, why do muslims ignore what medical science says about Obstetric fistulas when promoting Islamic child marriages?

https://www.google.com.au/#q=obstetric+fistula

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18291 Gender:	Re: underage marriage in Sydney Reply #77 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:21am wally1 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 7:46am: Who said you need a imam yadda? All you need is a wali and 2 witnesses. The wali is the father. No imam needed So the father approved of this pedophile marrying his daughter?
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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #78 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

What definition of 'child' should be used? The scientific definition or the politicians' definition? Do they stop being a child when they reach the legislated deemed age of possible criminal responsibility (10 in every jurisdiction in Australia)?

Do they stop being a child at age 12 when they are lowed to have sex with someone 2 years older than themselves?

Do they stop being a child at age 14 when being too young to know the difference between right and wrong no longer remains a possible criminal defence?

Do they stop being a child at 16 when they are allowed to have sex with everyone except their teachers?

Do they stop being a child at 18 when they are finally allowed to marry?

Australian laws regarding the transition to adulthood- straightforward?

Are you trying to say Islamic laws on child sex and marriage are superior to Australian laws TC?

The Islamic laws are based on science. Australian law is based upon the whims of politicians.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

Science says children giving birth have a much greater risk of Obstetric fistula

According to the scientific definition, it is impossible for a 'child' to give birth.

Not a lot of research has been done on the cause of fistulas. That which has been done has largely occurred in countries where poverty and malnutrition is widespread. The major cause of obstetric fistulas is malnutrition. Fistulas are very rare in wealthy nations - even amongst young mothers.

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Reply #79 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Aussie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

True Colours wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Yours truly wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

you are still quoting TC in your sig, thus praising him
-he supports underage sexual activities

Incorrect. I only ask that the law be based on science. Let's have a scientific definition of 'underage'.

Science - good for some thing, not good for others?

Because you keep writing 18 I assume you mean marriage. It's 16 for sex. Sex is based on scientific studies which centre on the psychological ability to make personal decisions and biological reasons. For example a female can conceive at 12 or 13 but the possibility of physical damage during childbirth is very possible. That is a few of the reasons why in our society it's illegal for grown scumbag perverts to have sex with little girls.

Soooo, what say ye about 'society' in the USA where until 1899, it was legal to marry a 12 year old female.

I don't care. I worry about here in the year 2014.

Yeas, we cannot be talking about a 'Christian' Country allowing dirty old men to marry kids, can we. That'd be just awful, wouldn't it.

The USA is not a christian country it is a secular country with separation of church and state and no official religion.

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Reply #80 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:38am

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:53am:

What definition of 'child' should be used? The scientific definition or the politicians' definition? Do they stop being a child when they reach the legislated deemed age of possible criminal responsibility (10 in every jurisdiction in Australia)?

Do they stop being a child at age 12 when they are lowed to have sex with someone 2 years older than themselves?

Do they stop being a child at age 14 when being too young to know the difference between right and wrong no longer remains a possible criminal defence?

Do they stop being a child at 16 when they are allowed to have sex with everyone except their teachers?

Do they stop being a child at 18 when they are finally allowed to marry?

Australian laws regarding the transition to adulthood- straightforward?

Are you trying to say Islamic laws on child sex and marriage are superior to Australian laws TC?

The Islamic laws are based on science. Australian law is based upon the whims of politicians.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:20am:

Science says children giving birth have a much greater risk of Obstetric fistula

According to the scientific definition, it is impossible for a 'child' to give birth.

Not a lot of research has been done on the cause of fistulas. That which has been done has largely occurred in countries where poverty and malnutrition is widespread. The major cause of obstetric fistulas is malnutrition. Fistulas are very rare in wealthy nations - even amongst young mothers.

Islamic law is not based on science it is based on superstition and idiocy.

Please cite this scientific definition of a child if it exists from a reputable scientific source.

A lot of children died from obstetric fistulas is that why child marriage was outlawed in the enlightened non Islamic parts of the world?

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #81 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:50am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:11pm:

Aussie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Sparky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

True Colours wrote on Feb 9^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

Yours truly wrote on Feb 8^th, 2014 at 8:22pm:

you are still quoting TC in your sig, thus praising him
-he supports underage sexual activities

Incorrect. I only ask that the law be based on science. Let's have a scientific definition of 'underage'.

Science - good for some thing, not good for others?

Because you keep writing 18 I assume you mean marriage. It's 16 for sex. Sex is based on scientific studies which centre on the psychological ability to make personal decisions and biological reasons. For example a female can conceive at 12 or 13 but the possibility of physical damage during childbirth is very possible. That is a few of the reasons why in our society it's illegal for grown scumbag perverts to have sex with little girls.

Soooo, what say ye about 'society' in the USA where until 1899, it was legal to marry a 12 year old female.

I don't care. I worry about here in the year 2014.

Yeas, we cannot be talking about a 'Christian' Country allowing dirty old men to marry kids, can we. That'd be just awful, wouldn't it.

The USA is not a christian country it is a secular country with separation of church and state and no official religion.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #82 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:51am

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 6:59am:

Should the cleric have alerted the authorities when the pedophile approached him and asked him to perform the marriage rites? Do you expect these people are aware of more such cases within the community?

Should they be "culturalising" the Muslim community that it is wrong to have sex with children?

I suspect that you are just baiting me, but obviously 'yes' on all counts. The islamic community should be taking more responsibility as I said from the beginning.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #83 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:56am

Muslims dont consider it to be pedophilia if a dirty old man marries a child, child brides are rampant in the Islamic world.

https://www.google.com.au/#q=saudi+child+bride

https://www.google.com.au/#q=yemeni+child+bride

https://www.google.com.au/#q=afghanistan+child+bride

Profit Mohammad married a 6 year old child who he had intercourse with when she was 9.
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Narrated Aisha-
The profit married her when she was 6 and porked her when she was 9.
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69

The Quran tells you to follow the example Mohammad set so these pedophiles are just following their pedophile prophet.
www.quran.com/33/21

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Reply #84 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:58am

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Please cite this scientific definition of a child if it exists from a reputable scientific source.

A child is someone not yet an adult. Scientifically a child is a person that has not reached the age that they can sexually reproduce:

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Biologically, an adult is a human being or other organism that has reached sexual maturity...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

The idea of adulthood not being obtained till later is a recent social construct not based on science at all:

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After the social construct of adolescence was created, adulthood split into two forms: biological adulthood and social adulthood. Thus, there are now two primary forms of adults: biological adults (people who have attained reproductive ability, are fertile, or who evidence secondary sex characteristics) and social adults (people who are recognized by their culture and/or law as being adults).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

'Social adulthood' is just an imaginary barrier put in place by society and can be changed according to the whims of the people in the society or its law-makers.

Biological adulthood is fixed to being the point when it could be scientifically observed that a person is capable of sexual reproduction - such as the onset of menstruation.

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Reply #85 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:00am

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

Please cite this scientific definition of a child if it exists from a reputable scientific source.

A child is someone not yet an adult. Scientifically a child is a person that has not reached the age that they can sexually reproduce:

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Biologically, an adult is a human being or other organism that has reached sexual maturity...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

The idea of adulthood not being obtained till later is a recent social construct not based on science at all:

Quote:

After the social construct of adolescence was created, adulthood split into two forms: biological adulthood and social adulthood. Thus, there are now two primary forms of adults: biological adults (people who have attained reproductive ability, are fertile, or who evidence secondary sex characteristics) and social adults (people who are recognized by their culture and/or law as being adults).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult

'Social adulthood' is just an imaginary barrier put in place by society and can be changed according to the whims of the people in the society or its law-makers.

Biological adulthood is fixed to being the point when it could be scientifically observed that a person is capable of sexual reproduction - such as the onset of menstruation.

Wiki is not a reputable scientific source, please cite this so called scientific definition you claimed to exist about from a reputable scientific source

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Reply #86 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:02am

Puberty has been the accepted sign of adulthood for nearly of humans throughout nearly all of history - until a bunch of Western politicians decided that they knew better than God and science, and made adulthood be the magical number of 18.

Have nearly all human being throughout nearly all of human history been pedophiles - or does the age of 18 have no scientific basis for being the age one attains adulthood?

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Reply #87 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:04am

I've been through all this before TC - you'll be banging your head up against a brick wall soon.

My favourite one was when someone claimed how terrible it was that Aisha was married when she was at school age. I had to gently point out to them that they didn't actually have school in those days, so there was no such thing as "school age".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: underage marriage in Sydney
Reply #89 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:51am

True Colours wrote on Feb 10^th, 2014 at 11:02am:

Western politicians decided that they knew better than God and science

Are you trying to say Islamic laws are superior to Australian laws?

Do you have any scientific evidence for your god?
www.rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence_for_God's_existence

Islamic science is not considered as science, the science in Islam is called Pseudoscience.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience

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