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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice Reply #30 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 10:58pm I'm assuming your refusal to answer the question of what the word Islam means, must indicate you lied or made it up. Goodo, enjoy practicing taqiyya Yadda, you are getting extremely common with your practice of intentionally trying to deceive people.
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Reply #31 - Feb 11^th, 2014 at 11:23pm

Stratos wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:

I'm assuming your refusal to answer the question of what the word Islam means, must indicate you lied or made it up.

My understanding, is that the word 'ISLAM' means, 'to submit'.

It is my belief that moslems have submitted themselves, to SATAN [posing as the God of creation].

2 Thessalonians 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Jeremiah 9:3
And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.
4 Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.
5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.
6 Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.i Quote:

Goodo, enjoy practicing taqiyya Yadda, you are getting extremely common with your practice of intentionally trying to deceive people.

I'm not trying to deceive people Stratos.

And i am not a person who chooses to appease and defend wanna-be murderers.

Stratos,

I do not know what your motive is, for wanting to defend ISLAM and moslems.

But i am certain that you do have such a motive - a motive that you have not declared in this forum.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #32 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 5:16am

Jesus the prophet, jesus the man, jesus the God, jesus the son of God, jesus is three people in 1, no wonder I hear everyday people leaving Christianity cause its confusing. Even the stories I hear of reverts say that's they are unsure or confused about the Christian beleifs.

1) John 20:17 "...Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God."

Jesus indicating that he has a God, and that his relationship to God is similar to the relationship of common people with God. God does not have a God, and would not tell others that his relationship with God is similar to theirs.

2) Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone."

Jesus says a) he is not good, and b) God alone is good. If Jesus were God he would not differentiate himself from God by stating that he is not good and only God alone is.

3) John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

This verse clearly shows two separate entities - a) the "only true God" AND b) Jesus Christ (who was sent by the only true God.) Only the one who sent Jesus is the true God, meaning Jesus himself can't be God.

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #33 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 6:53am

wally1 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 5:16am:

Jesus the prophet, jesus the man, jesus the God, jesus the son of God, jesus is three people in 1, no wonder I hear everyday people leaving Christianity cause its confusing. Even the stories I hear of reverts say that's they are unsure or confused about the Christian beleifs.

1) John 20:17 "...Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God."

Jesus indicating that he has a God, and that his relationship to God is similar to the relationship of common people with God. God does not have a God, and would not tell others that his relationship with God is similar to theirs.

2) Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone."

Jesus says a) he is not good, and b) God alone is good. If Jesus were God he would not differentiate himself from God by stating that he is not good and only God alone is.

3) John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

This verse clearly shows two separate entities - a) the "only true God" AND b) Jesus Christ (who was sent by the only true God.) Only the one who sent Jesus is the true God, meaning Jesus himself can't be God.

wally1,

Does the moslem submit himself to God, .....or, does the moslem submit himself to the demand for obedience, coming from men [from men within the ummah] ?

The Kingdom of God v The Doctrines of Men
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1382570147/15#15
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3) John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

This verse clearly shows two separate entities - a) the "only true God" AND b) Jesus Christ (who was sent by the only true God.) Only the one who sent Jesus is the true God, meaning Jesus himself can't be God.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:...

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:...

John 8:23
....Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one. [...spirit]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #34 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 6:54am

I just love how these conversations with Yadda evolve:

- Yadda starts out by presenting some semi-credible points about the history of the conflict - which gives the illusion that there might be some scope for constructive debate

- I oblige, engaging on these points and ask Yadda to elaborate on these points

- Yadda retreats back into his comfort zone: "Palestinians are at fault because they are muslims and muslims are always evil rar rar rar!"

- Yadda reaches full throttle - letting fly with a barrage of quranic quotes, jihadwatch quotes and as always - google taqqiya - in crayon and multiple posts in a row.

- discussion ends.

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #35 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:12am

wally1 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 5:16am:

Jesus the prophet, jesus the man, jesus the God, jesus the son of God, jesus is three people in 1, no wonder I hear everyday people leaving Christianity cause its confusing. Even the stories I hear of reverts say that's they are unsure or confused about the Christian beleifs.

1) John 20:17 "...Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my father and your father, to my God and your God."

Jesus indicating that he has a God, and that his relationship to God is similar to the relationship of common people with God. God does not have a God, and would not tell others that his relationship with God is similar to theirs.

2) Luke 18:19 "'Why do you call me good?' Jesus answered. 'No one is good--except God alone."

Jesus says a) he is not good, and b) God alone is good. If Jesus were God he would not differentiate himself from God by stating that he is not good and only God alone is.

3) John 17:3 "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

This verse clearly shows two separate entities - a) the "only true God" AND b) Jesus Christ (who was sent by the only true God.) Only the one who sent Jesus is the true God, meaning Jesus himself can't be God.

People [i.e. 'Christians'] are confused

because they are following [the doctrines and teachings of] men.

I do not care which church a person attends, but every Christian should read his Bible [every day, if he/she can]

"The Bible will keep you from sin, or sin will keep you from the Bible."

Dwight L. Moody (American Evangelist, 1837-1899)

Psalms 19:7
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalms 25:8
Good and upright is the LORD: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O LORD, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.
13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Psalms 119:2
Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Popes???

'Papa'?

Obey God!

"....And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
Matthew 23:1-13

The Problem of Evil
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......regards organised religion;

If you believe that the Book of Revelation, is the "The Revelation of Jesus Christ,"
then in that book....

Jesus said...

"...thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

Revelation 2:6
Revelation 2:15

Nicolaitans???

What does that word, Nicolaitans, refer to ?

'Nicolaitan', refers to those who [Nico] 'rule over' or 'conquer', and [the laity] 'the people'.

Jesus in Revelation, and, in the Gospels, said that he hated those hypocrites, who use the authority of 'religion' [turning religion into a 'beastly', false, worldly 'spirituality'], so as to rule over men.

Almost every religion of man does this.

Some religions [more than others] going to extreme lengths, to exert their authority over their adherents/devotees.

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Popes???

'Papa'?

"....And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."
"...But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."
Matthew 23:1-13

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Luke 16:31

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #36 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 6:54am:

I just love how these conversations with Yadda evolve:

- Yadda starts out by presenting some semi-credible points about the history of the conflict - which gives the illusion that there might be some scope for constructive debate

- I oblige, engaging on these points and ask Yadda to elaborate on these points

- Yadda retreats back into his comfort zone: "Palestinians are at fault because they are muslims and muslims are always evil rar rar rar!"

This is old ground gandalf.

But once more, with feeling!........

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.....who, is a moslem ?

A moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

And what is ISLAM ???

And what does ISLAM sanction ?

Does ISLAM sanction violence against 'disbelievers', BECAUSE THEY ARE 'DISBELIEVERS' ?

And if ISLAM did sanction violence against 'disbelievers', BECAUSE THEY ARE 'DISBELIEVERS', wouldn't that violence against 'disbelievers' be counted as an expression of 'extremism' ?

"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

gandalf,

In this forum you like to present yourself you try to present yourself, as a reasonable person.

All of your protestations are a 'facade', imo.

Because again, and again, you can't help but reveal what you [really] are.

And you are a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

And what is ISLAM ???

And what does ISLAM sanction ?

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice Reply #37 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:34am Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 8:38pm: Moslem = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth Don't think pages of unrelated rambling is going to get you out of this. Now is this true or were you lying? If it is true show your work
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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #38 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:48am

Stratos wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:34am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 11^th, 2014 at 8:38pm:

Moslem = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth

Don't think pages of unrelated rambling is going to get you out of this.

Now is this true or were you lying? If it is true show your work

Stratos,

Of course it is true, imo.

Moslem = = Kafir = = "[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

Kafir is an Arabic term/word, but the word Kafir has a 'universal' definition.

With language, with words, there is always a general consensus among men as to what particular words 'mean'.

And the word 'Kafir' is no different.

ARABS themselves, define the word as meaning; "[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

By definition [of behaviour], moslems are the Kuffar [the very 'Kuffar', that moslems claim to despise].

Moslems are liars and deceivers, haters of what is true - those that HATE God.

kuffar = = infidel = = a person who hides, denies, or covers the truth = = liars
= = MOSLEMS

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0
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You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God......

"kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

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Stratos Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4725	Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice Reply #39 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:53am So Muslim isn't an arabic word that means unbeliever, Kafir is. How the hell is a Muslim and "unbeliever" by the way, that makes no sense.
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Reply #40 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 8:03am

Stratos wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

So Muslim isn't an arabic word that means unbeliever, Kafir is.

How the hell is a Muslim and "unbeliever" by the way, that makes no sense.

By definition [of behaviour], moslems are the Kuffar.

ARABS themselves, define the word Kafir as meaning; "[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth."

Stratos,

Moslems provide us with many, many examples of their deceit, ....i.e. of 'hiding, denying, of covering, what is true'
.

Here is just one example [AGAIN!];

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A body representing British 'mainstream' moslems, The Muslim Council of Britain, declares on its website, that ISLAM is a philosophy which condemns extremism and violence....

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Rejecting Terror
Thursday, 11 April 2013

Muslims everywhere consider all acts of terrorism that aims to murder and maim innocent human beings utterly reprehensible and abhorrent. There is no theological basis whatsoever for such acts in our faith. The very meaning of the word 'Islam' is peace. It rejects terror and promotes peace and harmony.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2307:mcbnewst...
http://www.mcb.org.uk/article_detail.php?article=announcement-656

ISLAMIC law....

"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

FROM THE SUNNA OF MOHAMMED

"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #41 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 9:22am

More about Palestine, just for you Gandalf more about muslims loving muslims to death.

The report, which has been ignored by mainstream media and human rights organizations in the West, reveals that 10 Palestinians died in January 2014 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as a result of anarchy, lawlessness and misuse of weapons.

The report also lists cases of torture and mistreatment in PA and Hamas prisons. ICHR pointed to an increase in the number of torture cases in prisons belonging to the PA's much-feared Preventive Security Service in the West Bank.

During January, ICHR wrote that it received 56 complaints about torture and mistreatment in Palestinian prisons: 36 in the Gaza Strip and 19 in the West Bank. In addition, the human rights organization received innumerable complaints about arbitrary and unlawful arrests of Palestinians by the PA and Hamas.

Go and read more Gandalf it is quite an eye opener.

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #43 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 11:48am

In May 1948, Israel became an independent state after Israel was recognised by the United Nations as a country in its own right within the Middle East

Israel was attacked on the same day it gained its independence – May 14th. The armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq attacked Israel.

The invading Arabs states called for the Arab population to leave Israel, they declared it would be ("a war of extermination and a momentous massacre"). They would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea.

Those that left were told that they could come back and take all the Jews possessions.

Those that stayed were told they would be killed with the Jews.

Although the muslim armies enormously outnumbered the Jews, the muslims were soundly defeated (they were flogged on every front)

Egypt signed a peace settlement in February 1949, and over the next few months Lebanon, Jordan and Syria did the same culminating in peace in July 1949. Iraq simply withdrew her forces but did not sign any peace settlement.

The truth is muslims caused the Palestinian refugee problem, why don't those muslims (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq) who caused the problem, take the refugees?

No, instead it's the same old muslim cry, they are innocent victims.

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Reply #44 - Feb 12^th, 2014 at 1:34pm

moses wrote on Feb 12^th, 2014 at 11:48am:

Although the muslim armies enormously outnumbered the Jews

Completely false. This is a prevailing myth. The truth is, the entire Arab force available at the war's outset was around 23000, while the jews had some 35000 vastly better trained and better armed troops.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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