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Reply #60 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:51am:
Literally the only argument supporting Israel here is:
arabs treat Palestinians like sh*t, so Israeli oppression is a-ok

Its pathetic.

But no matter, people power will eventually win - people as in non-muslims in the west who are driving this growing boycott and sanction movement.

Israeli oppression is currently surviving on US support alone. The US was also about the last power supporting South African apartheid, but that didn't prevent its collapsed.




I think that you are correct gandalf.

Mankind are stupid, and evil.

The bible says that all mankind will assault lonely, tiny, Israel [and the Jewish people, the remnant, servant of God].

We will see what men do.

And then we will see what God will do.

The God that does not exist.         Cheesy





Joel 3:2
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted MY LAND.


Zechariah 12:2
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
3  And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.





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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #61 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:22pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE - AFTER TURKEY LOST ITS 'TERRITORIES', POST WWI,
...WHICH IS ALSO, THE WHOLE LAND AREA WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PROMISED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE, FOR THEIR HOMELAND


ummm.. no. Completely 100% wrong. Please learn your history Y.

Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
THE AGREED PARTITION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE


Who "agreed" Yadda? Oh thats right, Lord Balfour and the zionist leaders. Were any of the Palestinians present during this agreement? Did the 10th generation Palestinian farmer eeking out a living west of the Jordan "agree" to abandon his livelihood and his roots so that some jew could take over his land?

As for the "agreement" you speak of, its worth examining the exact text that the zionists agreed to:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"

Tell me Y, do you consider telling a Palestinian farmer who had lived on the land all his life to kindly abandon his home and livelihood and never return again so that a jew can move in might "prejudice the civil and religious rights" of this man?

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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #62 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:53pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"

Tell me Y, do you consider telling a Palestinian farmer who had lived on the land all his life to kindly abandon his home and livelihood and never return again so that a jew can move in might "prejudice the civil and religious rights" of this man?

Answer your own question gandalf:
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On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of Israel by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt. Saudi Arabia sent a formation that fought under the Egyptian command.

The muslims intentions were declared: Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: "It will be a war of annihilation. It will be a momentous massacre in history that will be talked about like the massacres of the Mongols or the Crusades.They would drive the Jews into the Mediterranean Sea".

muslims were told to leave the area, the decree was:

Those that left were told that they could come back and take all the Jews possessions.

Those that stayed were told they would be killed with the Jews. (Higher Arab Executive)


You tell me gandalf was the muslim ordered exodus of fellow muslims, from Jewish lands, under the threat of: Go and you can come back and take all the Jews possessions, after the Jews were exterminated, Or, stay and be massacred with the Jews, prejudicial to the civil and religious rights" these muslims?   

Now with regards to the last part of your question: or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"

I refer you to:
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The Real Refugees
Most of the world is ignoring the real catastrophe of the past recent era: the brutal expulsion of some 867,000 Jews from Arab countries, and the seizure, by the Arab governments, of over $13-billion worth of Jewish property and assets.

Algeria
During the war for Algerian independence from France in the 1950s and early 1960s, Algerian nationalists carried out violent attacks on Algerian Jews. After the French left, the Algerian authorities issued a variety of anti- Jewish decrees, including the imposition of heavy taxes on the Jewish community. Nearly all of Algeria's 160,000 Jews fled the country. All but one of Algeria's synagogues were seized and turned into mosques.

Egypt
The ancient Jewish community of Egypt numbered over 90,000 by the 1940s. Riots by Egyptian nationalists in 1945 claimed many Jewish lives, and synagogues and Jewish buildings were burned down. A new wave of discrimination and violence was unleashed in 1948. Over 250 Jews were killed or injured, Jewish shops were looted, and Jewish assets were frozen. Some 35,000 Jews left Egypt by 1950. Gamal Abdel Nasser, who seized power in 1954, arrested thousands of Jews and confiscated their property. Emigration reduced Egyptian Jewry to just 8,000 by 1957.

Iraq
The Jews of Iraq, with roots dating back to ancient Babylonia, numbered about 190,000 in 1947. When Israel was established, Jewish emigration was forbidden, and hundreds of Jews were jailed. Those convicted of "Zionism" --a criminal offense-- were sentenced to internal exile or fines of up to $40,000 each. Tens of thousands of Jews slipped out of the country. Then, in 1950, the government
legalized emigration and pressured the Jews to leave; by 1952, only 6,000 remained. Jewish emigrants were permitted to take with them only $140 per adult; all of their remaining assets and property were confiscated by the Iraqi government.

Libya
The 2,000 year-old Jewish community of Libya, which numbered almost 60,000 by the 1940s, was the target of mass anti-Jewish violence in November 1945. In Tripoli alone, 120 Jews were massacred, over 500 wounded, 2,000 were made homeless, and synagogues were torched. There were more pogroms in January 1946, with 75 Jews massacred in Zanzur, and more than 100 murdered in other towns. By the early 1950s, more than 40,000 Libyan Jews had emigrated.

Morocco
In 1948, there were about 350,000 Jews living in Morocco, a community with ancient roots going back to the time of the destruction of the First Temple (586 BCE). In June 1948, pogromists massacred 39 Jews in the town of Djerada and 4 more in Oujda. Over 50,000 Jews fled Morocco in terror. During the 1950s, there was violence against Jews in Oujda, Rabat, and Casablanca. Most of Moroccan Jewry emigrated during the years to follow.

Syria
There were 17,000 Jews in Syria in 1948, a community dating back to biblical times. Anti-Jewish pogroms erupted in the Syrian town of Aleppo in 1947. All of the local synagogues were destroyed, and 7,000 of the town's 10,000 Jews fled in terror. The government then enacted legislation to freeze Jewish bank accounts and confiscate Jewish property. By the 1950s, just 5,000 Jews remained in Syria, subjected to harsh decrees; they were banned from emigrating, selling their property, or working in government offices, and were compelled to carry special
cards identifying them as Jews.


Were the muslim atrocities committed against these Jews, prejudicial to the civil and religious rights" of these Jews?
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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #63 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:58pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:22pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE - AFTER TURKEY LOST ITS 'TERRITORIES', POST WWI,
...WHICH IS ALSO, THE WHOLE LAND AREA WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PROMISED TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE, FOR THEIR HOMELAND


ummm.. no. Completely 100% wrong. Please learn your history Y.

Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
THE AGREED PARTITION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE


Who "agreed" Yadda? Oh thats right, Lord Balfour and the zionist leaders. Were any of the Palestinians present during this agreement? Did the 10th generation Palestinian farmer eeking out a living west of the Jordan "agree" to abandon his livelihood and his roots so that some jew could take over his land?

As for the "agreement" you speak of, its worth examining the exact text that the zionists agreed to:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country"

Tell me Y, do you consider telling a Palestinian farmer who had lived on the land all his life to kindly abandon his home and livelihood and never return again so that a jew can move in might "prejudice the civil and religious rights" of this man?




IMAGE.....
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"......nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine."



1948 - 2014 = 66 years

1967 - 2014 = 47 years



gandalf,

The last time i looked, the Dome of the Rock had not been demolished by the Jews/Israelis.

And the last time i looked, many of the moslems who are occupying Judea and Samaria are stoning [and murdering] the Jews/Israelis, at every opportunity.  [AND, moslems have destroyed many Jewish holy sites, or prevented Jewish access.]


Moslems are criminals.


Why so ?

Because moslems have a criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards those who are not moslems.

And the moslems who are resident in the state of Israel have demonstrated their criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards the Jewish people.




polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 12:24pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 11th, 2014 at 8:54am:
Moslems will never acknowledge that 'Palestinians' have already been given a whole nation to themselves, formed for that purpose [as a 'homeland'].


.....Personally I prefer one free and just state where muslims and jews live together with equal rights, and there is no race-based discrimination. But thats just me.




Moslems have no such intent.


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"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE"
"It is not the function of Islam to compromise with the concepts of Jahiliyya which are current in the world **or to co-exist** in the same land together with a jahili system........"



SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html


The 'Jahiliyya' un-ISLAMIC/secular state is totally incompatible with ISLAM.

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere *existence* of non-moslem communities is viewed as insulting to the authority of ISLAM.
...because you see, moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world, for Allah.



Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia...

Quote:

"....Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia law, without which Islam cannot exist;"
"...true Islam is a complete system with no room for any element of Jahiliyya"
"...all aspects of Jahiliyya...are "evil and corrupt" "



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society







"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




gandalf,

I keep posting these quotes from the Koran, which urge and make lawful moslem malevolence against 'disbelievers',
BUT YOU HAVE NOT ONCE DENOUNCED THE KORAN, NOR THE KORANIC OBLIGATION PLACED UPON YOU [AND EVERY OTHER MOSLEM] TO MAKE WAR AGAINST 'DISBELIEVERS' - WHENEVER YOU AS A MOSLEM HAVE SUCH AN OPPORTUNITY [i.e. the political 'strength' to do so].

Could you ever bring yourself to denounce the [contents, and malevolent urgings of] Koran towards those of us who are not moslems, gandalf ?

And if not, what does your reluctance to do so, imply ?


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Reply #64 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:26pm
 


IMAGE.....
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Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:58pm:
IMAGE.....
http://www.4kingdoms.com/dome-wall.jpg
"......nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine."



1948 - 2014 = 66 years

1967 - 2014 = 47 years



gandalf,

The last time i looked, the Dome of the Rock had not been demolished by the Jews/Israelis.

And the last time i looked, many of the moslems who are occupying Judea and Samaria are stoning [and murdering] the Jews/Israelis, at every opportunity.

[AND, moslems have destroyed many Jewish holy sites, or prevented Jewish access.]








Google;
palestinians burn, desecrate josephs tomb


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347877739/186#186
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347877739/187#187
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1347877739/188#188




Arab vandals desecrate Joseph's Tomb
Gravestone of biblical patriarch ruined despite Palestinian pledge

http://web.archive.org/web/20030618214344/http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article....i
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Reply #65 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:34pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:26pm:







Google;
palestinians burn, desecrate josephs tomb


...
BEFORE



...
AFTER MOSLEMS DESECRATE THIS JEWISH RELIGIOUS SITE




It makes you PROUD, to be a 'righteous', 'rightly guided' moslem, doesn't it gandalf !



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Reply #66 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:39pm
 
Hey Moses, I have a *STUNNING* confession to make, that I'm sure will just bowl you right over:

Both jews and Palestinians were screwed over by the corrupt arab nations.


Now that we have that off our chest, how about we get back to the actual topic and address the issue of jewish mistreatment of the Palestinians? How about you try and defend the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians and their continued denying their human rights - without going off on to irrelevant tangents.
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Reply #67 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:58pm
 
I see, muslims caused the problems, muslims could quiet easily fix the trouble they caused, but it's all the Jews fault?

Citing the cause and cure of the refugee trouble is a tangent? It's all the Jews fault.

Why don't you ask the muslims to try and be honest and humane for once in their history? They can solve the problems immediately, they could absorb the refugees without a bother.

Oh that's right we are talking about muslims here, you know child sex, inbreeding, terrorism, rape, torture, mass murder, honour killings, discrimination and oppression of anyone they disagree with, etc.etc. But then again it's all the Jews fault.

Tell us what are the muslims going to do about the refugee problem, which they are solely responsible for? (without going off on a muslim exonerating tangent *it's all the Jews fault*)

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Reply #68 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:07pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
Citing the cause and cure of the refugee trouble is a tangent? It's all the Jews fault.


We are not talking about refugees. We are talking about the continued dispossession and denial of rights of people on their own land
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Reply #69 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:51pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:22pm:
Tell me Y, do you consider telling a Palestinian farmer who had lived on the land all his life to kindly abandon his home and livelihood and never return again so that a jew can move in might "prejudice the civil and religious rights" of this man?


He certainly does, G. That's exactly what Y is saying.

Applied to his own situation, it means Y would need to become homeless and suck it up if I moved into his house and called it mine - under the "reset button" of war.

Y, you see, is a Kharmic Khristian.
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Reply #70 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:57pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 2:58pm:
I see, muslims caused the problems, muslims could quiet easily fix the trouble they caused, but it's all the Jews fault?

Citing the cause and cure of the refugee trouble is a tangent? It's all the Jews fault.

Why don't you ask the muslims to try and be honest and humane for once in their history? They can solve the problems immediately, they could absorb the refugees without a bother.


That's right, M. No need to ask the Israelis to give back Palestinians'  land and property. We should ask the Arabs next door to give them some charity.

I agree. Look at the Aborigines. I have no idea why they haven't moved to New Zealand to live with the Maoris, it's appalling.
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Reply #71 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:43pm
 
gandalf wrote: Quote:
We are not talking about refugees. We are talking about the continued dispossession and denial of rights of people on their own land


Karnal wrote: Quote:
That's right, M. No need to ask the Israelis to give back Palestinians'  land and property. We should ask the Arabs next door to give them some charity.


Whatever land the Jews control due to the consequences of:

The creation of Israel / The 1948 invasion by muslims / The 1967 invasion by muslims, is now lawfully theirs.

Particularly what they now own due to both illegal invasions by muslims (1948 / 1967)

muslims caused the problems, the solution is also in muslim hands.

muslims who caused the troubles should accept their islamic brothers, still on Israeli land, it's very simple really.
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Reply #72 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:33pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
The creation of Israel / The 1948 invasion by muslims / The 1967 invasion by muslims, is now lawfully theirs.


Right - we're finally getting somewhere.

The land they own now because of the war(s) is now "lawfully" theirs. What do you think comes with "lawful" ownership moses? Responsibility for its inhabitants perhaps?

So we can both agree that Israel now "lawfully" owns the West Bank. There are currently 2.5 million inhabitants who are not Israeli citizens, do not enjoy equal rights under Israeli law, and are routinely subject to punitive actions like forced eviction, restrictions on movement and racial discrimination.

So what do you think moses, do you think a power who "lawfully" owns a territory that has a population of native inhabitants has certain duties and obligations to those inhabitants? International law certainly does. Why does Israel subject these people to racial discrimination? Why doesn't Israel grant these people now living in Israel - Israeli citizenship? Serious question. Another thing international law says - specifically - is that an occupying power is strictly forbidden from transferring part of its population to the occupied territory. The settlements blatantly violate this.
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Reply #73 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:55pm
 
Oh, I don’t think that’s going to wash with M, G.

When he talks about the rules of war, he means subjugating the enemy. Totally. That means their children, and their children’s children.

If they won’t be exiled, they’ll need to be extinguished - in one way or another.

Maybe Y can teach us what the Bible says about this issue.
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Reply #74 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:14pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
Oh, I don’t think that’s going to wash with M, G.

When he talks about the rules of war, he means subjugating the enemy. Totally. That means their children, and their children’s children.

If they won’t be exiled, they’ll need to be extinguished - in one way or another.

Maybe Y can teach us what the Bible says about this issue.




K,

Do you have anything to add to this conversation/debate ?




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US political correctness once again costing lives.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/65#65
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379806836/50#50
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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.


A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.




Dictionary;
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1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.





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