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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #75 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:33pm:
moses wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:43pm:
The creation of Israel / The 1948 invasion by muslims / The 1967 invasion by muslims, is now lawfully theirs.


Right - we're finally getting somewhere.

The land they own now because of the war(s) is now "lawfully" theirs. What do you think comes with "lawful" ownership moses? Responsibility for its inhabitants perhaps?

So we can both agree that Israel now "lawfully" owns the West Bank.

There are currently 2.5 million inhabitants who are not Israeli citizens, do not enjoy equal rights under Israeli law, and are routinely subject to punitive actions like forced eviction, restrictions on movement and racial discrimination.

So what do you think moses, do you think a power who "lawfully" owns a territory that has a population of native inhabitants has certain duties and obligations to those inhabitants?

International law certainly does. Why does Israel subject these people to racial discrimination?

Why doesn't Israel grant these people now living in Israel - Israeli citizenship?

Serious question. Another thing international law says - specifically - is that an occupying power is strictly forbidden from transferring part of its population to the occupied territory.

The settlements blatantly violate this.





Moslems are criminals.

The moslem community [in Israel], are a community of criminals [by our laws, and by Israeli laws].

Why so ?

Because the moslem community [in Israel], are intent on destroying the state of Israel.




As per......

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"A Muslim community disproportionately involved in criminal behaviour targeted at non-Islamic people but which refuses to acknowledge any communal responsibility and claims instead to be the victim of a conspiracy;
a society that refuses to acknowledge the religious and cultural wellspring of that behaviour and which condemns instead those who express concern about its consequences;
where have we heard all this before?
Whether in response to threats to life and liberty from within or without, Britain is still sleepwalking off the edge of a cliff." - MELANIE PHILLIPS

http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/05/ithe-horrific-consequences-of-the-is...

And the same principle applies to moslem community, whether it is in the UK, or in Israel.



Yadda said....
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Moslems are criminals.


Why so ?

Because moslems have a criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards those who are not moslems.

And the moslems who are resident in the state of Israel have demonstrated their criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards the Jewish people.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #76 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:29pm
 
Supplementary information regarding territory held by the Israelis.....


islam and jews

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1299665041/39#39
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......international law allows nations who are attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948, 1967, 1973], to occupy and annex land that was previously recognised as being a part of another state [e.g. Arab states, 1948] because of aggression and attacks, upon a neighbouring state [Israel, 1948].

And international laws does not prohibit a state which was attacked [e.g. the state of Israel, 1948], from occupying and annexing the lands of an aggressor, so as to prevent further attacks.


......"ISRAEL AND INTERNATIONAL LAW....Israel’s presence in all these areas pending negotiation of new borders is entirely lawful, since Israel entered them lawfully in self-defence. International law forbids acquisition by unlawful force, but not where, as in the case of Israel’s self-defence in 1967, the entry on the territory was lawful. It does not so forbid it,

....for the effect of such prohibition would be to guarantee to all potential aggressors that, even if their aggression failed, all territory lost in the attempt would be automatically returned to them. Such a rule would be absurd to the point of lunacy. There is no such rule..."

http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1528






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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #77 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:53pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
Oh, I don’t think that’s going to wash with M, G.

When he talks about the rules of war, he means subjugating the enemy. Totally. That means their children, and their children’s children.

If they won’t be exiled, they’ll need to be extinguished - in one way or another.

Maybe Y can teach us what the Bible says about this issue.




K,

Do you have anything to add to this conversation/debate ?




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US political correctness once again costing lives.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1377296416/65#65
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1379806836/50#50
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1380162579/0#0
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ABOVE - Just a typical post by Karnal.


A typical post by Karnal, confirming once again, that Karnal is not willing to reveal his real opinions in this forum, on any serious issue.

You do not want 'to define', or to debate with others in this forum.

Your posts, all of them, reveal your intent.




Dictionary;
obfuscate = =
1 make unclear or unintelligible.
2 bewilder.







I said the Bible, Y.

You’ve quoted yourself.
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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #78 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:00pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:22pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:33pm:
[quote author=moses link=1392025259/71#71 date=1392281009]The creation of Israel / The 1948 invasion by muslims / The 1967 invasion by muslims, is now lawfully theirs.


Right - we're finally getting somewhere.

The land they own now because of the war(s) is now "lawfully" theirs. What do you think comes with "lawful" ownership moses? Responsibility for its inhabitants perhaps?

So we can both agree that Israel now "lawfully" owns the West Bank.

[highlight]There are currently 2.5 million inhabitants who are not Israeli citizens, do not enjoy equal rights under Israeli law, and are routinely subject to punitive actions like forced eviction, restrictions on movement and racial discrimination.

So what do you think moses, do you think a power who "lawfully" owns a territory that has a population of native inhabitants has certain duties and obligations to those inhabitants?

International law certainly does. Why does Israel subject these people to racial discrimination?

Why doesn't Israel grant these people now living in Israel - Israeli citizenship?

Moslems are criminals.

The moslem community [in Israel], are a community of criminals [by our laws, and by Israeli laws].

Why so ?

Because the moslem community [in Israel], are intent on destroying the state of Israel.

As per......

Quote:
"A Muslim community disproportionately involved in criminal behaviour targeted at non-Islamic people but which refuses to acknowledge any communal responsibility and claims instead to be the victim of a conspiracy;
a society that refuses to acknowledge the religious and cultural wellspring of that behaviour and which condemns instead those who express concern about its consequences;
where have we heard all this before?
Whether in response to threats to life and liberty from within or without, Britain is still sleepwalking off the edge of a cliff." - MELANIE PHILLIPS

http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/05/ithe-horrific-consequences-of-the-is...

And the same principle applies to moslem community, whether it is in the UK, or in Israel.



Yadda said....
Quote:

Moslems are criminals.


Why so ?

Because moslems have a criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards those who are not moslems.

And the moslems who are resident in the state of Israel have demonstrated their criminal intent [by OUR laws] towards the Jewish people.




Does this answer your question, G?

Not only should they have their land and homes taken, they should be prosecuted as criminals - for intent.

Better Google that one, G.
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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #79 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

Not only should they have their land and homes taken, they should be prosecuted as criminals - for intent.




A moslem, is a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.


And what behaviour in moslems does ISLAM,
1/ encourage,
2/ sanction, and,
3/ make lawful ???




http://quran.com/9/123


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




IMAGE...
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Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Moslems, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Moslems, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems, and] who 'offend' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.

AND MAKE NO MISTAKE, THAT, IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES, ...TO ALL MOSLEMS [FROM CHILDHOOD].





K,

Declaring yourself a moslem [i.e. a follower of Islam], seems like an expression of 'criminal intent' to me.



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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #80 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:41pm
 
Not to you, Y. The Palestinians are guilty of intent (by OUR laws). Remember?

Lucky we don’t let them have their own laws. They’d probably try to establish property rights or something equally ridiculous.

Guilty as charged, Y - of being Moslems = a follower of Islam.
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Reply #81 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:02pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:41pm:
Not to you, Y. The Palestinians are guilty of intent (by OUR laws). Remember?

Lucky we don’t let them have their own laws. They’d probably try to establish property rights or something equally ridiculous.

Guilty as charged, Y - of being Moslems = a follower of Islam.




"The Palestinians are....."
, moslems.

With all that that 'possession' implies, as moslems.   post#79



Even the Palestinian 'Christians' have been so subverted by the demands of their moslem overlords, that Palestinian 'Christians' are PUBLICLY anti-Christian and anti-Jewish, and submit themselves to a god called Allah.

Dictionary;
subvert = = undermine the power and authority of (an established system or institution).






Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?



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Reply #82 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:30pm
 
They’re guilty too , Y.

We’re better than them. We submit to a god called Gud.
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Reply #83 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:30pm:

They’re guilty too , Y.

We’re better than them. We submit to a god called Gud.





Deuteronomy 32:16
They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17  They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18  Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19  And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20  And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.


Deuteronomy 5:11
Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

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Reply #84 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:42am
 
Deuteronomy's spelt it wrong, Y.

Gud is a jealous god. He doesn't like it when you get His name wrong.
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Reply #85 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
Allow me to summarize what we've all learned.

1. Palestinians should not get their land and houses returned. These were taken after 1967, but the reset button was pressed in WWI.

2. Palestinians are criminals - guilty of intent. This means they should be put in jail - by OUR laws.

3. They're Moslems - okay, many are Christians, but they call Gud Allah, so they're criminals too.

4. Anyone who questions the above is taking the Lord's name in vain.

Please learn the above points, leftards. Y will be asking questions.
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Reply #86 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:31am
 
Grin You certainly have a way of expressing these things K. Keep it up.
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Reply #87 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:48am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 8:52am:
Allow me to summarize what we've all learned.

1. Palestinians should not get their land and houses returned. These were taken after 1967, but the reset button was pressed in WWI.

2. Palestinians are criminals - guilty of intent. This means they should be put in jail - by OUR laws.

3. They're Moslems - okay, many are Christians, but they call Gud Allah, so they're criminals too.

4. Anyone who questions the above is taking the Lord's name in vain.

Please learn the above points, leftards. Y will be asking questions.





1. Palestinians should not get their land and houses returned.
  - not 'their' land and houses - their land, their ancient homeland, is Jordan.


2. Palestinians are criminals - guilty of intent. This means they should be put in jail - by OUR laws.
  - we [who seek God's righteousness] should separate ourselves, from those who clearly have a criminal intent - we should not facilitate moslem immigration [the immigration of wanna-be MURDERERS] into countries like Australia.



IMAGE...
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Sydney CBD, 2012, moslem street protests.
Moslems, demanding the right to exercise their 'religious freedom'.
Moslems, demanding the right to 'practise their religion'.
Moslems, proclaiming their 'religious' right to murder persons [who are not moslems, and] who 'offend' moslems, by refusing to believe as they [moslems] believe.


Lets facilitate the immigration of people who hold cultural views like those [image above] ???

Yes, the immigration of people like those, into Australia [image above], is OK, according to 'progressives' like yourself, K.

But i say, moslems should be quarantined to moslem majority lands
- and let them [moslems] demonstrate their supposed moslem cultural virtue to us [to persons who are not moslems] from their own lands !



3. They're Moslems - okay, many are Christians, but they call Gud Allah, so they're criminals too.
  - moslems deem themselves to be righteous, virtuous people too, even while they [moslems] murder people, because those people do not believe what moslems believe. [e.g. Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc, etc.] - this is because ISLAM [for the moslem], makes lawful, criminal behaviour.

K, if you want moslems [and their 'virtuous' culture] around you, go to, and live in Saudi Arabia.






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Psalms 7:9
Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.

Psalms 37:12
The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.

Proverbs 3:33
The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.

Proverbs 10:6
Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.

Proverbs 10:7
The memory of the just is blessed: but the name of the wicked shall rot.

Proverbs 10:20
The tongue of the just is as choice silver: the heart of the wicked is little worth.

Proverbs 12:13
The wicked is snared by the transgression of his lips: but the just shall come out of trouble.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Proverbs 29:27
An unjust man is an abomination to the just: and he that is upright in the way is abomination to the wicked.


Isaiah 5:18
Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:
19  That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!
20  Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21  Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22  Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23  Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!





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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #88 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 12:46pm
 
Gandalf wrote: Quote:
Right - we're finally getting somewhere.

The land they own now because of the war(s) is now "lawfully" theirs. What do you think comes with "lawful" ownership moses? Responsibility for its inhabitants perhaps?

So we can both agree that Israel now "lawfully" owns the West Bank. There are currently 2.5 million inhabitants who are not Israeli citizens, do not enjoy equal rights under Israeli law, and are routinely subject to punitive actions like forced eviction, restrictions on movement and racial discrimination.

So what do you think moses, do you think a power who "lawfully" owns a territory that has a population of native inhabitants has certain duties and obligations to those inhabitants? International law certainly does. Why does Israel subject these people to racial discrimination? Why doesn't Israel grant these people now living in Israel - Israeli citizenship? Serious question. Another thing international law says - specifically - is that an occupying power is strictly forbidden from transferring part of its population to the occupied territory. The settlements blatantly violate this.


You're so concerned about what Israel does with a situation that was forced on them by muslims.

Do you hold the same concern about the treatment non-muslims receive in islamic countries?

muslims have an inextricable hatred of Jews, woven into their religion,politics and family life, Their entire social fabric is founded on hatred of Jews.

I'd say that the way muslims have treated non-muslims in islamic countries is despicable.

Why don't you call for muslims to change, to stop their discrimination and oppression of  non-muslims?

Israel is minority State surrounded by (and containing) a seething mass of hate filled muslims.

They do what they have to do to ensure their survival.

Why don't you call on the overwhelming majority of the Middle East (muslims), who daily live their life discriminating against and oppressing (in the most degenerate manner) non-muslims and muslims they disagree with, to live according to the principles of human rights and decency? (after all their crimes against humanity outweigh the Palestinian problem a thousand time over)

So it's very simple: I don't expect the Jews to let the hate of muslims get the upper hand in any way shape or form.

The real question is: when are muslims going to do the right thing?



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Re: MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice
Reply #89 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 2:41pm
 
moses wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
You're so concerned about what Israel does with a situation that was forced on them by muslims.


- Did the muslims force Israel to build sprawling jewish settlements that are strategically placed to cut up the Palestinian zones into discontiguous bantustans?
- Did the muslims force Israel to bulldoze centuries old olive farms  to build jew-only roads?
-  Did the muslims force Israel to demolish Palestinian homes for "administrative" purposes?
- Did the muslims force Israel to deprive the Palestinians of their fair share of water on the WB?

I see you have abandoned your point about Israel "legally owning" the WB after it was pointed out to you that with ownership comes responsibility to the inhabitants. Your need to quietly ignore these points and flog that completely irrelevant dead horse about how other unrelated people behave speaks volumes.

moses wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
Why don't you call on the overwhelming majority of the Middle East (muslims), who daily live their life discriminating against and oppressing (in the most degenerate manner) non-muslims and muslims they disagree with, to live according to the principles of human rights and decency?


Tell you what chump, In a topic about the human rights abuses of middle east muslims, I'll talk about the human rights abuses of middle east muslims. And in a topic about Israeli human rights abuses, I'll talk about Israeli human rights abuses. How does that sound?

... oh look - we seem to be in a thread about Israeli human-rights abuses.
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