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Reply #30 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:05am
 
bring back flake at the fish shops, it sure as hell tastes better then what they make fish cocktails out of now days
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Reply #31 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:08am
 
Fisherman ordered to pay $18k for bashing great white shark to death at Sussex Inlet on NSW south coast
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A man has been ordered to pay nearly $20,000 over the death of a juvenile great white shark on the south coast of New South Wales.

Justin Adam Clark was prosecuted by the state's Department of Primary Industries (DPI) over the shark's death at Sussex Inlet in January 2012.

He was found guilty of harming a threatened species in Wollongong Local Court.

Great white sharks are protected throughout Australian waters, though the Federal Government has granted an exemption for the Western Australian Government to cull large sharks.

Witnesses told DPI officials the 40-year-old man, from Glenbrook in Sydney's west, pursued the shark in his boat after it was seen in the area.

He herded the animal into shallow water, deliberately using his boat to hit the shark several times.

DPI says the main injuries to the shark were caused by the boat's propeller.

A rope was tied to the shark's tail and it was towed back to a boat ramp with help from a second boat.

The department says the shark was then bludgeoned to death with a metal pole.

The magistrate ordered Clark to pay a fine of $8,000, plus costs of $10,103.

The man in charge of the second boat that helped drag the shark to shore also pleaded guilty to harming a threatened species and was put on a six-month good behaviour bond.

The DPI's director of fisheries compliance, Glenn Tritton, says ignorance is no excuse for harming a protected species.

"This conviction sends a strong message that harming of our threatened species will not be tolerated," he said.

"The low population numbers following historical exploitation, plus their low reproductive rate, long gestation and late age at sexual maturity lead to slow recovery of the great white shark population and demonstrate the need for its protection."


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The juvenile shark was dragged up a boat ramp before being beaten in the head with a metal pole. (NSW Department of Primary Industries)

Here's why it's a bad idea. It brings out the ratbags. The fine is not enough IMO.
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Reply #32 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:09am
 
matty wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:13pm:
How dare the Barnett government in WA implement such a barbaric and cruel policy, as to kill hundrds of sharks in their own territory? This is no better than the whaling by the Japs.





... and this exemption of protection to an endangered species was authorised and signed off by the - so called -
"environment minister" Greg Hunt






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Reply #33 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 1:15pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:08am:
Here's why it's a bad idea. It brings out the ratbags. The fine is not enough IMO.


If that was a black shark there would have been a lynchin', with plenty of helpers.

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Reply #34 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:29pm
 
TBH I was initially a bit shocked by a few posters who have articulated their opposition, however, that subsided and I am now mightily impressed to see that many can put aside their political ideals over something as important as this. On the other hand, it is more than a little disappointing to see some cannot do this and seem to think it appropriate to still attempt some political stoush with posters, that's a bit sad.

As to the shark cull, for my part I see it as an inhumane and ridiculous measure and an extreme over reaction.

It is without doubt horrific for those who have been attacked (both fatally and otherwise). However, as has been clearly articulated, we (humans) have ventured into the sharks territory, I cannot stress the point enough that for Sharks, they do not have choice, they are Marine dwelling animals and, arguably, masters of that domain. Humans on the other hand are considerably out of their zone, despite our ability to be able to swim, we can only at best be temporary interlopers in a Marine environment. Being temporary interlopers of course means, we are on the menu. We are not normal food for sharks though obviously, hence the "testing" behaviour that Sharks demonstrate and, as opposed to what a poster has suggested, Sharks do not often come back to finish up after a "Test" bite if the taste, texture etc are too unfamiliar. I would not say sharks do not like human flesh, however, it is not a regular taste for them and, consequently often times the test bite is all that will happen.

As has also been pointed out, food sources have been reduced, in part by overfishing by humans. How remarkable that we (people) may actually have created a potential increase in risk ourselves, how arrogantly ignorant of us to then come up with a plan to kill stuff.

Another issue that seems to be under recognised of course is that combining reduced food sources out to see (thus pushing sharks to more coastal regions) there is also the increase in easy food source provided by the failures of live export trade. It is not uncommon for carcasses to be thrown overboard....

Lines about protecting tourism are just that, lines, with no substance or for that matter veracity. If tourism was of any concern, particularly on a federal level, then plans to dump waste on the barrier reef would not have been approved.

Killing off these sharks is a blatant act of environmental vandalism.

Thanks to those of you who have voiced your opposition to this issue too.
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Reply #35 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:29pm:
Killing off these sharks is a blatant act of environmental vandalism.




Let's hope Barnett is eventually made to answer for his crimes.


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Reply #36 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:52pm
 
Phemanderac wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:29pm:
TBH I was initially a bit shocked by a few posters who have articulated their opposition, however, that subsided and I am now mightily impressed to see that many can put aside their political ideals over something as important as this. On the other hand, it is more than a little disappointing to see some cannot do this and seem to think it appropriate to still attempt some political stoush with posters, that's a bit sad.

As to the shark cull, for my part I see it as an inhumane and ridiculous measure and an extreme over reaction.

It is without doubt horrific for those who have been attacked (both fatally and otherwise). However, as has been clearly articulated, we (humans) have ventured into the sharks territory, I cannot stress the point enough that for Sharks, they do not have choice, they are Marine dwelling animals and, arguably, masters of that domain. Humans on the other hand are considerably out of their zone, despite our ability to be able to swim, we can only at best be temporary interlopers in a Marine environment. Being temporary interlopers of course means, we are on the menu. We are not normal food for sharks though obviously, hence the "testing" behaviour that Sharks demonstrate and, as opposed to what a poster has suggested, Sharks do not often come back to finish up after a "Test" bite if the taste, texture etc are too unfamiliar. I would not say sharks do not like human flesh, however, it is not a regular taste for them and, consequently often times the test bite is all that will happen.

As has also been pointed out, food sources have been reduced, in part by overfishing by humans. How remarkable that we (people) may actually have created a potential increase in risk ourselves, how arrogantly ignorant of us to then come up with a plan to kill stuff.

Another issue that seems to be under recognised of course is that combining reduced food sources out to see (thus pushing sharks to more coastal regions) there is also the increase in easy food source provided by the failures of live export trade. It is not uncommon for carcasses to be thrown overboard....

Lines about protecting tourism are just that, lines, with no substance or for that matter veracity. If tourism was of any concern, particularly on a federal level, then plans to dump waste on the barrier reef would not have been approved.

Killing off these sharks is a blatant act of environmental vandalism.

Thanks to those of you who have voiced your opposition to this issue too.




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Reply #37 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:57pm
 
How about a Poll

That should be fun?

I'll start it off!
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Reply #38 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:19pm
 
This thread should be on the general forum where most of the intelligent post mostly......  Smiley
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Reply #39 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:43pm
 
Sharks are merciless cold blooded killers and protecting the public from merciless cold blooded killers is the Government's job.

The Sharks have the whole ocean to do their killing, so for the few that venture into waters where the public swim that's tough.

I have no problem with the cull.
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Reply #40 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:53pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Aren't the sharks they are after endangered too?






INDEED !


Imagine Australia's ourtage and condemnation if Indonesia started a cull of endangered Sumatran tigers - because some idiot had been eaten by one - after wandering off into the middle of the tiger's jungle habitat





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Reply #41 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm
 
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?
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Reply #42 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
Sharks are merciless cold blooded killers

Sharks are apex predators. They kill that they may eat. Would you have all the sharks eating tofu?

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and protecting the public from merciless cold blooded killers is the Government's job.

Only if those killers are human. Mercy - or the lack of it - is purely a human trait. Animals do not have such concepts as mercy.

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The Sharks have the whole ocean to do their killing, so for the few that venture into waters where the public swim that's tough.

Then the public should keep clear of the sharks. The ocean is THEIR home, not ours.

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I have no problem with the cull.

You're very much in the minority on this.
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Reply #43 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:51pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?

Your analogy is flawed. Whose home is it?

For a more accurate analogy: Humans sometimes venture into crocodile-filled rivers. Occasionally someone is taken. Do we then start an indiscriminate culling of as many crocodiles as we can find? No, we do not.
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Reply #44 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:13pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?

Your analogy is flawed. Whose home is it?

For a more accurate analogy: Humans sometimes venture into crocodile-filled rivers. Occasionally someone is taken. Do we then start an indiscriminate culling of as many crocodiles as we can find? No, we do not.


Govt's don't allow man eating Crocodiles in suburban areas any more than they should ignore man eating sharks at suburban beaches.

Wild dogs are culled, feral pigs and horses are culled.  Where there is a danger to the public from a wild animal they are culled.

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
Sharks are apex predators. They kill that they may eat. Would you have all the sharks eating tofu?


Sharks can kill and eat as much as they want as long as it's not near suburban beaches.  It's a damned big ocean.

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
Only if those killers are human. Mercy - or the lack of it - is purely a human trait. Animals do not have such concepts as mercy.


Oh garbage.  Dangerous animals are culled all the time.

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
Then the public should keep clear of the sharks. The ocean is THEIR home, not ours.


You should apply that logic to the illegal boats

Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
You're very much in the minority on this


So what? Challenging the collective is a good thing.  We maybe ruled by a tyranny of the mob and gagged by political correctness but a little bit of individual opinion still survives.





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