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Reply #45 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:26pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:51pm:
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?

Your analogy is flawed. Whose home is it?

For a more accurate analogy: Humans sometimes venture into crocodile-filled rivers. Occasionally someone is taken. Do we then start an indiscriminate culling of as many crocodiles as we can find? No, we do not.



I think you are wrong there




A third crocodile has been shot in the search for a missing 12-year-old boy in the Northern Territory which police said had now turned into a body recovery mission.

Two crocodiles, measuring more than 4m, have been killed in the search but police and park rangers now believe the crocodile who took the boy from a billabong in Kakadu national park was about 2.5m after an expert inspected the bite marks on his friend.

The 12-year-old was swimming with a group of friends on Sunday afternoon when the crocodile attacked his cousin, Jayden Djandjul, who police say is 12 years old but some media reports have said is 15.

Djandjul fought off the crocodile before it took the other boy.

Police and park rangers launched a search on Sunday night, shooting 4.3m and 4.7m crocodiles and cutting their stomachs open to look for human remains.

An examination of Djandjul’s wounds on Monday found the crocodile was likely to be 2.5m long, and another one was shot on Monday night but it sank before it could be recovered, police said.

A spokesman confirmed the search had turned into a body recovery mission.

The search was taking place near Mudginberri outstation, 20km from Jabiru, and helicopters as well as airboats are being used with shooted being airlifted to a billabong where two crocodiles were spotted on Tuesday morning.

The attack has sparked a debate about culling crocodiles
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Reply #46 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 12:56am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
[highlight]Sharks are merciless cold blooded killers [/highlight]and protecting the public from merciless cold blooded killers is the Government's job. .
actually not all sharks are cold blooded, some such as the white Pointer are partially warm blooded. Also sharks act purely on instinct.
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Reply #47 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:39am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:46pm:
Then the public should keep clear of the sharks. The ocean is THEIR home, not ours.


An oft-repeated fallacy.

We're talking about people venturing into coastal waters ~ a legitimate zone for humans to source their food since the beginning of time.

It's why humans are bereft of fur. The coastal waters are our home just as the land is. Amphibious creatures we are.

Coastal waters used for gathering food are just as much the right of humans as they are for any ocean dwelling species.

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There's no reason why WA's popular swimming and surfing beaches can't be netted against shark attack.

Two boats with a steel-mesh net between them stretches this to form a semi-circular under-water barrier that protects the swimmers. At the end of the day, the net is wound up on capstans for storage.

Or ... a sonar buoy is dropped off the beach that sends off an ASDIC pulse that bounces off any large body entering the area, and telegraphs the presence of the intruder to the life-guards of just the swimmers themselves with an alarm.

University departments should have come up with a buoy such as this, decades ago.





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Reply #48 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:43am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
is the Sharks are merciless cold blooded killers and protecting the public from merciless cold blooded killersGovernment's job.

The Sharks have the whole ocean to do their killing, so for the few that venture into waters where the public swim that's tough.

I have no problem with the cull.


oh yes... and the sharks put a lot of thought into their killing...  Grin

you are delusional
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Reply #49 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:50am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Aren't the sharks they are after endangered too?






INDEED !


Imagine Australia's outrage and condemnation if Indonesia started a cull of endangered Sumatran tigers - because some idiot had been eaten by one - after wandering off into the middle of the tiger's jungle habitat










Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?









Your post was not just lightweight
IRRELEVENT
- but borderline
MORONIC







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Reply #50 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 7:23am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?


Firstly that is very much an apples and oranges comparison.

Sharks, for example, only have Marine environments to "prowl" in.

Sumatran tigers would be well and truly out of the native territory if they were in a local play ground. Further, I would suggest (respectfully) that, if some idiot human moved a Sumatran tiger to a local play ground;
a) The tiger would most likely be tranquilised and moved on safely.

b) The idiot human responsible would presumably face a few charges....

So what's your point again?
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Reply #51 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:15am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 7:23am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?


Firstly that is very much an apples and oranges comparison.

Sharks, for example, only have Marine environments to "prowl" in.

Sumatran tigers would be well and truly out of the native territory if they were in a local play ground. Further, I would suggest (respectfully) that, if some idiot human moved a Sumatran tiger to a local play ground;
a) The tiger would most likely be tranquilised and moved on safely.

b) The idiot human responsible would presumably face a few charges....

So what's your point again?


"My 'point' again" is that it's the Govt's job to protect the public from dangerous people and dangerous animals. 

Regarding your 'point' about the Sumartran tiger, don't you think there are parks in Sumartra that 'used' to be the Tiger's "native territory"?

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 7:23am:
Firstly that is very much an apples and oranges comparison


It was the Buzzbrain that introduced the Sumartran Tiger but it matters not as any dangerous animal could be used as a comparrison.

True Blue... wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:43am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:43pm:
is the Sharks are merciless cold blooded killers and protecting the public from merciless cold blooded killersGovernment's job.

The Sharks have the whole ocean to do their killing, so for the few that venture into waters where the public swim that's tough.

I have no problem with the cull.


oh yes... and the sharks put a lot of thought into their killing...  Grin

you are delusional


Delusional?  Huh  About what?  Huh You don't agree that sharks are "merciless cold blooded killers"?

This greeny argument against the cull is pretty much the same argument the Treehuggers use against hazard burns in the bush to lower the risk of bush fires.  A D O P E Y one  Grin

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:50am:
Your post was not just lightweight IRRELEVENT- but borderline MORONIC


Ditto  Grin


 
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Reply #52 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:51am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:50am:
buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:53pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Aren't the sharks they are after endangered too?






INDEED !


Imagine Australia's outrage and condemnation if Indonesia started a cull of endangered Sumatran tigers - because some idiot had been eaten by one - after wandering off into the middle of the tiger's jungle habitat










Swagman wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?









Your post was not just lightweight
IRRELEVENT
- but borderline
MORONIC





Nothing "borderline" about it.
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Reply #53 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:36am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Nothing "borderline" about it.


Sorry Peccary but when arguing with Morons one has to use their own language....... Grin  Tongue

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Reply #54 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:44am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Nothing "borderline" about it.


Sorry Peccary but when arguing with Morons one has to use their own language.......




Thanks for the tip, however, I'm not arguing with you.

Here's a tip for you though: when discussing shark culling, it's best to just stick to talking about sharks, and the ocean.  Sumatran tigers, jungles, suburban areas, playgrounds, crocodiles, pigs, and horses are totally irrelevant to the subject matter.

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Reply #55 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:12am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:44am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 10:36am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Nothing "borderline" about it.


Sorry Peccary but when arguing with Morons one has to use their own language.......




Thanks for the tip, however, I'm not arguing with you.

Here's a tip for you though: when discussing shark culling, it's best to just stick to talking about sharks, and the ocean.  Sumatran tigers, jungles, suburban areas, playgrounds, crocodiles, pigs, and horses are totally irrelevant to the subject matter.

Cheers.



The Buzzman introduced the Sumartran Tiger actually.

That aside, similar scenarios prompt similar reasonings and similar solutions Greggy.

Having tunnel vision does not help, a dangerous animal is a dangerous animal whatever and where-ever it is, whether it be an overgrown mullet with sharp teeth or a Sumartran tiger and so it's the Govt's job to protect its constituents from them. 

I would have thought hunting and culling sharks as per the WA Govt example would be far more environmentally / ecologically preferable than say shark netting for example.  Shark Netting has been a practice at Sydney beaches for a long time.  The nets are indiscriminate and cause the death of lots of cuddly marine animals but removal aint going to happen.

When little kids and tourists start getting chewed up by sharks at suburban beaches because of stupid greenies there will be a cull of greenies as well as sharks..... Cheesy
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Reply #56 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:19am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:12am:
That aside, similar scenarios prompt similar reasonings and similar solutions Greggy.



Exactly.  "similar scenarios".

In this case, the scenarios weren't even close to being similar.

Humans don't live in the ocean, and sharks don't live on the land.






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Reply #57 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:27am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:12am:
When little kids and tourists start getting chewed up by sharks at suburban beaches because of stupid greenies there will be a cull of greenies as well as sharks..... Cheesy



It's not the greenies who are stupid: it's the tourists and the parents of the little kids.

Fact: don't let your kids go into the ocean, and they won't be chewed up by sharks.

Crisis over.


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Reply #58 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:27am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:19am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:12am:
That aside, similar scenarios prompt similar reasonings and similar solutions Greggy.



Exactly.  "similar scenarios".

In this case, the scenarios weren't even close to being similar.

Humans don't live in the ocean, and sharks don't live on the land.



Codswallop....the 'scenarios' are practically equal.

Humans don't live in creeks and rivers either but authorities still cull crocks and dangerous beasts that could potentially or actually have taken human lives.

Humans swim at the beach, the beaches are generally in suburban locations in close proximity to cities, humans are attacked and killed or seriously mauled by sharks at beaches, that is enough to make the scenarios equivalent in nature and to propose otherwise is simply ridiculous.. Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:32am
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:27am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:19am:
Swagman wrote on Feb 14th, 2014 at 11:12am:
That aside, similar scenarios prompt similar reasonings and similar solutions Greggy.



Exactly.  "similar scenarios".

In this case, the scenarios weren't even close to being similar.

Humans don't live in the ocean, and sharks don't live on the land.



Codswallop....the 'scenarios' are practically equal.




Nothing like each other.

Humans don't live in the ocean, and sharks don't live on the land.

Don't go in the ocean, and you won't get eaten by a shark.

Crisis over.
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