Australian Politics Forum - Shark culling must be outlawed.

Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Shark culling must be outlawed. Reply #60 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:03pm greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 11:32am: Nothing like each other.
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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Shark culling must be outlawed. Reply #61 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:06pm
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Reply #62 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:42pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 10:13pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:51pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:39pm:

So if a bunch of Sumatran tigers were prowling the playground in your local town eating the occasional person you'd be outraged if they were culled?

Your analogy is flawed. Whose home is it?

For a more accurate analogy: Humans sometimes venture into crocodile-filled rivers. Occasionally someone is taken. Do we then start an indiscriminate culling of as many crocodiles as we can find? No, we do not.

Govt's don't allow man eating Crocodiles in suburban areas any more than they should ignore man eating sharks at suburban beaches.

Rubbish argument. We don't build our homes in the water.

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Wild dogs are culled, feral pigs and horses are culled. Where there is a danger to the public from a wild animal they are culled.

Again, rubbish. These animals are not protected species. Great white sharks are.

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Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Sharks are apex predators. They kill that they may eat. Would you have all the sharks eating tofu?

Sharks can kill and eat as much as they want as long as it's not near suburban beaches.

That is a matter of opinion. Why not use shark nets or other barriers to keep them away?

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Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Only if those killers are human. Mercy - or the lack of it - is purely a human trait. Animals do not have such concepts as mercy.

Oh garbage. Dangerous animals are culled all the time.

And what animals are these, exactly?

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Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

Then the public should keep clear of the sharks. The ocean is THEIR home, not ours.

You should apply that logic to the illegal boats

Non sequitur.

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Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

You're very much in the minority on this

So what? Challenging the collective is a good thing. We maybe ruled by a tyranny of the mob and gagged by political correctness but a little bit of individual opinion still survives.

So you would go around killing protected species just because you're too cheap to build exclusion barriers?

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Shark culling must be outlawed. Reply #63 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:46pm Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 6:39am: Bam wrote on Feb 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm: Then the public should keep clear of the sharks. The ocean is THEIR home, not ours. An oft-repeated fallacy. You don't even know what a fallacy is.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Shark culling must be outlawed. Reply #64 - Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:17pm Frankly getting taken by a Shark, maimed or eaten is not one of my favourite choices of how to die. We take a risk every time we enter the open water, it would appear some think we shouldn't. Ever.
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Reply #65 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am

Grendel wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 1:17pm:

Frankly getting taken by a Shark, maimed or eaten is not one of my favourite choices of how to die.
We take a risk every time we enter the open water, it would appear some think we shouldn't. Ever.

....and it's the Govt's job to reduce that risk by culling the man eaters that are prowling in the proximity of suburban beaches.

Bam wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Rubbish argument. We don't build our homes in the water.

Speaking of rubbish arguments....WTF has that got to do with it?

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Reply #66 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

There's one other factor that, so far at least, does not appear to have been mentioned.

Now, people have mentioned the families of those lost to shark attacks before I admit, but, usually from the emotive stand point of "imagine if you were one of the family members..."

The family of one of the most recent Shark attack victims, I believe it was the 28 year old teacher from SA who was spear fishing un-categorically stated that they did not support any kind of cull as a response to his death and, further, that the actual victim would be mortified at a kill shark response. Namely, he knew and accepted the risks of his chosen activity...

I am a frequent user of our costal waters and absolutely concur with and support this position. I have no desire to be eaten or even bitten for that matter, however, I accept that this is a reasonable risk if I choose to swim, dive, spear fish or surf these waters. By the way, statistically I am still at higher risk of death or serious injury every day I choose to drive or even walk near public roads.

Killing off an apex predator only has long term negative consequences for all other species. That is why I see this "cull idea" as just a dumb, ill conceived nanny state type over reaction.

As to the moronic "it's the Governments responsibility to protect us" - it is the Government's responsibility to educate us, that should afford it's own level of protection through awareness. Now if you as an individual don't want to learn or improve your awareness, that is not the Sharks problem so please refrain from punishing this species over your own ignorance....

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

"They're not rules as such, more like guidelines" Pirates of the Caribbean..

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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Shark culling must be outlawed. Reply #67 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 1:01pm .
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Reply #68 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 10:12am:

Bam wrote on Feb 14^th, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Rubbish argument. We don't build our homes in the water.

Speaking of rubbish arguments....WTF has that got to do with it?

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Says the poster who was claiming that
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Govt's don't allow man eating Crocodiles in suburban areas

as if crocodiles (which can take food on land) is somehow an equivalent example to sharks (which are exclusively marine).

Of course, I don't expect you to appreciate the difference.

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Reply #69 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:30pm

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

Killing off an apex predator only has long term negative consequences for all other species

It's not killing off an apex predator at all. That argument is bull schitt. The sharks have the vastness of the ocean to prowl and kill.

Phemanderac wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 12:59pm:

The family of one of the most recent Shark attack victims, I believe it was the 28 year old teacher from SA who was spear fishing un-categorically stated that they did not support any kind of cull as a response to his death

If it was anyone from my family or a mate that was killed by a shark I would spend the rest of my days hunting and killing them.

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