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Reply #30 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:52am
 
And the current lot's qualifications are?

I'm not taking sides - I'm just saying that they are all not worth the salt we pay them.  Look at Fat Joe's economic ideas.

You reckon running a corner store is the same as running a country?  The moment these idiots get their hands on the big dollars that are just lying there in the endless pockets of taxpayers waiting to be plucked - it becomes 'anything goes - plenty more where that came from'.

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Reply #31 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:59am
 
why did people vote labor?

Because it was by far the best option:

The real question should be how did we make such a huge error in 2013.
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Reply #32 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:01am
 
Kat wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:45am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:38am:
Kat wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:11am:
John S wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:04am:
The reason I vote labor is because

THE WORST LABOR GOVERNMENT IS ALWAYS BETTER THEN THE BEST LIBERAL GOVERNMENT FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS AND THE FUTURE OF AUSTRALIA.


and that is a fact.

Now instead of putting up your B/S, tell us what has a liberal government ever done for the good of ALL Australia, and you can go back to Menzie to find something and I bet you can't.



Labor builds, Liberals tear down.


Historically, the country has gone ahead under Labor govts, but has
stagnated or gone backwards under the Con-servatives.

And that's fact, not the partisan spin the Right are so fond of.


Oh, you are so wrong it's almost sad! The opposite is actually true. Howard stopped the boats, Rudd restarted them when he immediately dismantled the Pacific Solution, with more than 50,000 arrivals and a budget blowout from <$100m p/a to more than $1.5bn p/a. Costello paid off the Labor debt, Swan racked up a colossal debt of >$300bn. Costello delivered ten surpluses in twelve budgets, Swan delivered the largest deficits in our history and not a single surplus. Howard set up the ABCC, Labor dismantled it and we now face a Royal Commission into union corruption. The general theme in Federal politics is that Labor wrecks and then the Coalition fixes, only to end up being kicked out by gullible, ungrateful and forgetful voters.




I am not wrong at all, my statement is backed by historical fact.

You are notorious for posting the diametric opposite of the facts.

This one is no exception.



You are notorious for attempting to change history to suit your skewed view of what you think the world should look like. Not one thing I posted there can be debated - it is fact. Look it up if you don't believe me.
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Reply #33 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:18am
 
Hold it, Bruvvas an' Sistahs!!

The entire aim of the current destruction of Australia economically and socially is to ensure that NO boat people WANT to come here - it's worse than where they came from!

I mean - why would they leave the safety of mud walls that stop AK rounds well for a life on the ocean wave, followed by poverty and trying to live in the social and economic deserts of Australia these days?  Can't even get a QANTAS flight out!

Nope - no self-respecting refugee would consider coming here!   Shocked    Shocked
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Reply #34 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:24am
 
why did people vote labor

because they want whats best for the future of the country as a whole as opposed to whats best for their own back pockets now.
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Reply #35 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:38am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:50am:
cods wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:30am:
how about gillard stealing from a widows fund????



Even you know that is untrue.


BUT IT IS


She gave advice supporting the proposition of the transfer of funds to the national body.

In my view it was bad advice which I would have ignored.




ahahahahah not so.... she talked the good miners in Kalgoorlie to hand over their fund to wilson...

it was in the local paper that the miners didnt like wilson...but she went there not as his lover but as a lawyer working for G&S



I would like to take you on a little trip to the WA Goldfields... to Kalgoorlie’s twin city, Boulder WA.

Where newspaper archives show Bruce Wilson travelled to Boulder/Kalgoorlie in 1992 to attempt to allay union members' concerns about his (Wilson’s) decision to transfer the management of large sums of union members’ money to a new AWU account in Northbridge, Perth. The money resided at the time in a separate account called, “The Goldfields Fatal Accident and Death Fund”. This money, donated from union members themselves, was to financially assist bereaved families of deceased union members. 

Wilson wanted management the account shifted to the AWU’s head office in Perth. Wilson was the then WA boss of the AWU. He and Ralph Blewitt were to be sole signatories on the account and union members were justifiably apprehensive. They were wary of Wilson’s alleged fraudulent activities and demanded a meeting. It was set down for 8pm in the Boulder Town Hall.

Wilson knew he would never convince members of the legitimacy of the proposed move himself. So he introduced to the stage, a person of high legal authority to assure union members there was no need for concern. The person he introduced was Julia Gillard. Members were unaware Gillard was his lover.

She was presented as an important Industrial Lawyer from Victoria and an official representative of the Labor stalwart law firm, Slater & Gordon.


Gillard addressed union members at length explaining why the money should be moved and that there was nothing to worry about. She insisted the members were in the good hands of Slater & Gordon and their best interests would at all times be protected.


SHE WENT THERE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TALKING THEM INTO TRANSFERRING THEIR FUND...


WHAT OTHER REASON WOULD SHE HAVE GONE???????


can you think of one reason she would go there.......other than to benefit wilson????



I am not even sure Slater and Gordon even knew she did go there even though she claimed she was working for them and they would look after the fund.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: why did people vote labor?
Reply #36 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:41am
 

In the two party system we have, a change is needed every 2 or 3 terms. 

In general. Liberals sell all the assets, and increase the cost of living.

In general, Labor build all the assets, and run up debt.

Neither is long term viable, so you need to switch around every now and then.

However, Costello was in too long, and sold almost every asset we have. Labor didnt get a chance to finish its main asset (NBN),  and so now poor old Joe Hockey has to have a fire sale of some rather unsellable assets.

How a "fire sale" can be the best outcome for the country is beyond me, but at least he'll achieve his goal of increasing the cost of living.
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Reply #37 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:54am
 
Just a few facts for a change...
Abbott - Politics (brief time as journalist)

Reality...
    * BEc, LLB (Syd), MA (Oxon).
    * Rhodes Scholar.
    * Journalist.
    * Plant Manager, Pioneer Concrete.
    * Press secretary and political adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, Dr JR Hewson 1990-93.
    * Executive Director, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy 1993-94.
Truss   - Politics

Reality...
    * Farmer.
    * President, Australian Council of Rural Youth 1973-74.
    * Member, Queensland Graingrowers' Association State Council 1979-90.
    * Chair, Sugar Coast Burnett Regional Tourism Board 1985-89.
    * Deputy Chair, Bulk Grains Queensland 1985-90.
    * Solicitor 1991-93.
Robb    - Politics

Reality...
    * BEc (Hons)(La Trobe), Dip AgricSc (Dookie Agricultural College).
    * Animal health officer, Vic. Dept of Agriculture 1972-74.
    * Agricultural economist, Vic. Dept of Agriculture 1974-79.
    * Part-time tutor, La Trobe University 1976-79.
    * Economist, National Farmers' Federation 1980.
    * Executive Director, Cattle Council of Australia 1981-84.
    * Executive Director, National Farmers' Federation 1985-88.
    * Deputy Federal Director, Liberal Party 1988-89.
    * Chief of Staff to the Leader of the Opposition, the Hon. AS Peacock 1989-90.
    * Federal Director, Liberal Party 1990-97.
    * Consultant, Ammirati Puritas Lintas 1997.
    * Senior Executive, PBL 1997-99.
    * Board member, Sinclair Knight Merz 1998-2001.
    * Chief Executive Officer, Acxiom Australia 1999-2001.
    * Chairman, Acxiom Australia 2001-04.
    * Business adviser 2001-04.
Bishop  - Lawyer

Reality...
    * LLB (Adel).
    * Advanced Management Program (Senior Managers) (Harvard Business School).
    * Barrister and solicitor 1979-98.
    * Managing partner, Clayton Utz, Perth, WA 1994-98.
    * Chair, Town Planning Appeal Tribunal of WA 1994-98.
    * Senate Member, Murdoch University 1997-98.
    * Director, Special Broadcasting Services Television 1997-98.
    * Director and Fellow, Australian Institute of Management 1997-98.
Hockey   -Lawyer

Reality...
    * BA, LLB (Syd).
    * Director of Policy to the Premier of New South Wales.
    * Banking and finance lawyer, Corrs Chambers Westgarth.
Andrews - Lawyer

Reality...
    * BA, LLB (Melb), LLM (Monash).
    * Research solicitor, Law Institute of Victoria 1980-81.
    * Co-ordinator, Continuing Legal Education, Law Institute of Victoria 1981-83.
    * Associate to the Hon. Sir James Gobbo, Supreme Court of Victoria 1983-85.
    * Barrister-at-law, Victoria 1985-91.
Hunt      - Lawyer

Reality...
    * BA(Hons), LLB(Hons I) (Melb), MA (Yale).
    * University Prize, Final Year Thesis, Melbourne University; Yale Fellowship; Schell Centre for Human Rights Fellowship, Yale Law School.
    * Captain, Australian Universities Debating Team 1990.
    * Articled Clerk, Malleson Stephen Jacques 1991-92.
    * Associate to Chief Justice of the Australian Federal Court 1992.
    * Fulbright Scholar and Teaching Assistant, Yale University 1992-94.
    * Senior Adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, AJG Downer, MP 1994-95.
    * Senior Adviser to the Shadow Minister for Foreign Affairs, AJG Downer, MP 1995-96.
    * Senior Adviser to the Minister for Foreign Affairs, the Hon. AJG Downer, MP 1996-98.
    * Chief, Australian Electoral Observer Mission to Cambodia 1998.
    * Senior Fellow, Centre for Comparative Constitutional Law, University of Melbourne 1998-99.
    * Engagement Manager, McKinsey and Co 1999-2001.
    * Director of Strategy, World Economic Forum, Geneva 2000-01.
Dutton    - Police Officer

Reality...
    * BBus (Queensland University of Technology).
    * Police officer 1990-99.
    * Company director from 1993.
Joyce     - Accountant

Reality...
    * BFA (UNE), CPA, FCPA.
    * Farm worker 1989-91.
    * Accountant 1991-94.
    * Rural banker 1994-98.
    * Self-employed accountant 1998-2005.
    * Royal Queensland Regiment 1995-2003.
McFarlane - Farmer.

Reality...
    * Farmer.
    * President, Queensland Graingrowers Association.
    * President, Grains Council of Australia.
Bilson - Council

Reality...
    * BBus (RMIT).
    * Master of Business Leadership (RMIT).
    * Graduate Diploma of Management (RMIT).
    * Manager, Corporate Development, Shire of Hastings 1993-94.
    * Ministerial Adviser to the State Minister for Natural Resources, the Hon. CG Coleman, MLA (Vic) 1994-96.
    * Policy Adviser to the Federal Shadow Minister for the Environment, Senator CR Kemp 1995.
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Reply #38 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:56am
 
Doctor Jolly wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:41am:
In the two party system we have, a change is needed every 2 or 3 terms. 

In general. Liberals sell all the assets, and increase the cost of living.

In general, Labor build all the assets, and run up debt.

Neither is long term viable, so you need to switch around every now and then.

However, Costello was in too long, and sold almost every asset we have. Labor didnt get a chance to finish its main asset (NBN),  and so now poor old Joe Hockey has to have a fire sale of some rather unsellable assets.

How a "fire sale" can be the best outcome for the country is beyond me, but at least he'll achieve his goal of increasing the cost of living.

Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #39 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 10:59am
 
I voted for the third option, as bad as each other. I don't know why anybody would vote for Labor, the Coalition or the Greens the way that all the parties are now. Sadly about 80-85% did at the last election.
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Reply #40 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:05am
 
True Blue... wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:47am:
A note was sent to me, which explains that the six leading members of the Labor Government, from Ms Gillard down, have a collective work experience of 181 years, but only 13 years in the private sector.

If you take out of those 13 years the number that were spent as trade union lawyers, 11 years, only two years were spent in the private sector.

So out of those 181 years:

- no years spent running their own business
- no years spent starting their own business
- no years spent as a director of a family business or a company
- no years as a director of a public company
- no years in a senior position in a public company
- no years in a senior position in a private company
- no years working in corporate finance
- no years in corporate or business restructuring
- no years working in or with a bank
- no years of experience in the capital markets
- no years in a stock-broking firm
- no years in negotiating debt facilities with banks
- no years running a small business
- no years at the World Bank or IMF or OECD
- no years in Treasury or Finance.

But these people have plunged Australia into unprecedented debt.

Well, in a way you can’t blame them.

It’s clear the electorate did not do their homework,

because the Government was there by right.

Ah, but they are Labor and people vote for them because Labor is good for the working family – right???

Yeah, right!   Roll Eyes



yes, I ahve seen that before.
Appalling isn't it ?
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Reply #41 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:24am
 
[quote author=Blue... link=1392238062/1#1 date=1392238218]and this my friends...

is why we are in so much debt..

why spending is out of control, one of the worst in the world "Quote"

Labor voters who care only about their pockets, not the country. It's a matter of "I'm right, mate and  damn you!"

No matter if union demands means that some will profit others will be retrenched.

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Reply #42 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:31am
 
olde.sault wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:24am:
[quote author=Blue... link=1392238062/1#1 date=1392238218]and this my friends...

is why we are in so much debt..

why spending is out of control, one of the worst in the world "Quote"

Labor voters who care only about their pockets, not the country. It's a matter of "I'm right, mate and  damn you!"

No matter if union demands means that some will profit others will be retrenched.



Isn't Abbott now claiming the debt levels are low????  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #43 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 12:12pm
 
Why did people vote Labor?

Sheer masochism........
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Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:54am:
Just a few facts for a change...
Abbott - Politics (brief time as journalist)

Reality...
    * BEc, LLB (Syd), MA (Oxon).
education

    * Rhodes Scholar. 
education

    * Journalist.
    * Plant Manager, Pioneer Concrete.


Between 1987 and 1990 - mostly as a journalist, probably well under 12 months at Pioneer.

    * Press secretary and political adviser to the Leader of the Opposition, Dr JR Hewson 1990-93. (political)
    * Executive Director, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy 1993-94. (political).
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Abbott was primarily a politician all his working life

Had the Labor politicians been assessed in the same manner as you have here you would have got a similar result.

The only business related post he held was as a plant manager for probably under 12 months - you can only guess why he ran away from that position to be a lowly advisor to a politician.
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