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Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:27am
 
Under NSW's current system, those without funding fail to have their ideas heard - but small reforms could change this dramatically, argues Greens member Justin Field

In late 2013, the High Court struck down a NSW law preventing anyone other than individuals donating to political parties. Despite arguing before the Court that political donations from corporations could be corrupting, it emerged this morning that the O’Farrell Government has again begun accepting such funds.

Legal issues aside, the 2012 reforms have not restored public trust in politics. A series of corruption scandals have overshadowed the reforms and reinforced negative public sentiment.

Labor’s Eddie Obeid and Ian Macdonald, and the Liberals' Chris Hartcher have all come to the attention of the Independent Commission Against Corruption. Last year Whitehaven Coal executives were fined for failing to declare political donations to the National Party, while gaining approval to mine the Leard Forest near Narrabri.

In response to the High Court decision, Barry O’Farrell has promised to revisit donations legislation this year. If O’Farrell is serious about addressing the "decisions for donations" culture in NSW he must look closely at the following reforms.

1) Capping Election Spending

A clear way to limit the political influence of donations is to restrict how much money a party, candidate or third party can spend in elections.

Under the current laws, a candidate for a political party can spend over $110,000 in just one seat. The party itself can also spend over $55,000 in that seat and third parties, such as a union or lobby group, can each spend over $22,000.

This level of spending is simply too high and is partially responsible for forcing candidates to solicit donations just to be able to compete on an even playing field. Those who can’t are shut out of the race — not because of their policies, but because they can’t match the election spending of the major parties. In this regard, lowering spending caps would reduce the need for donations to run a campaign and therefore their influence on the political process.

2) Transparency and Disclosure

If a political party or candidate can take a donation but not be required to disclose it until long after the election, they can avoid public scrutiny when it maters most. This is the current situation in NSW and federally.

Political parties at the federal level are not required to disclose donations less than $12,100 and larger donations are published long after the donations have been made and the election decided. While the NSW laws are better and donations of $1000 are reported, it can be as long as 15 months after being received that the public is informed.

The recent revelations that the Liberal and National parties took thousands from oil and gas companies in the lead-up to the federal election should have been no revelation at all: these gifts should have been made public before the election.

Timely disclosure of donations, for example within a month outside of election periods, or within 24 hours during an election period, would give the public far more confidence that backroom ‘cash for decision’ deals were not being done. It would also make candidates and political parties think twice, knowing donations would be in the minds of the electorate while they were in the voting booths. The New York model demonstrates that continuous and timely disclosure can work.

3) Fairer Public Funding

Much has been made of free speech in relation to the High Court challenge but there has been little talk of improving the ability for a wider range of voices to be heard in the electoral process. The parties enjoy significant public funding once they get over 4 per cent of the vote, which gives them substantial financial benefit over other political players.

Many parties and independent candidates are effectively locked out of accessing pubic funding and therefore their ideas simply can’t be heard over the media machines of the majors. This leaves these groups increasingly reliant on seeking donations instead of focusing on advocating their policies.

The current arrangements that give political parties with elected MPs additional administrative funding further extends the benefit of the current parties over new entrants. A fairer model of sharing public funding to recognise the broad public support of the major parties while enabling new entrants to be heard needs to be found.

A renewed public debate about how our elections are funded provides an opportunity to strengthen our democracy and improve the public’s confidence in our politicians, political parties and politics in general. It will be a test for Barry O’Farrell given his ongoing rhetoric on this issue and will show whether the 2012 changes were part of a genuine drive for positive reform or just an exercise in scoring political points.



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Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:35am
 
its a tough one......do we foot the bill then???..

I often wonder how anyone voted before TV...as thats where the bulk of the money is spent..not always honestly either.. we are brainwashed by commercials thats a given.. so what is the answer????..
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Reply #2 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:44am
 
Last time I bothered to look big business and banks backed both majors about the same...  the Unions just backed Labor and I think maybe a little something for The Greens.
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Reply #3 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:01am
 
cods wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:35am:
its a tough one......do we foot the bill then???..

I often wonder how anyone voted before TV...as thats where the bulk of the money is spent..not always honestly either.. we are brainwashed by commercials thats a given.. so what is the answer????..


My answer is quite simple limited political party and candidates in total on what they can spend in any seat and what political party or anyone else what they can spend overall and I would stop members of parliament spending their entitlements once elections are called.
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:04am
 
John S wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:01am:
cods wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:35am:
its a tough one......do we foot the bill then???..

I often wonder how anyone voted before TV...as thats where the bulk of the money is spent..not always honestly either.. we are brainwashed by commercials thats a given.. so what is the answer????..


My answer is quite simple limited political party and candidates in total on what they can spend in any seat and what political party or anyone else what they can spend overall and I would stop members of parliament spending their entitlements once elections are called.



what do they spend???.. and how do they spend it?..

do we know?..I can see placards everywhere and understand they have to be printed..and dodgers of course..maybe a few extra staff,....but where does all this money go... on TV as far as I can make out.

which covers all districts..
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:38am
 
I think one change is needed, prevent parties from being able to accept donations from those who have already donated to another party because that is one of the biggest flaws in our system and prevents us from having a democratic process. When both Major parties receive donations from the same people then the agenda will never face the people, The agenda is then forced on the people.
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:57am
 
BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:38am:
I think one change is needed, prevent parties from being able to accept donations from those who have already donated to another party because that is one of the biggest flaws in our system and prevents us from having a democratic process. When both Major parties receive donations from the same people then the agenda will never face the people, The agenda is then forced on the people.



that wouldnt work...too many people wouldnt work for a company that didnt support their beliefs...

thats like being forced to belong to a union.. even though you dont support their logic....

\no one should have the right to tell anyone where their money goes and too whom..

however it should be out there for all to read...

not sure what the difference is...when deals are made.behind locked doors with independents..or minor parties to get them on side...

so I think all deals need to be on the table...as that is just as open to abuse as money...
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:16am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Last time I bothered to look big business and banks backed both majors about the same...  the Unions just backed Labor and I think maybe a little something for The Greens.

The latest list of donations was released recently. It is interesting to see where the money comes from.

Here are the eight largest donations ($200,000 or more).
Mrs Roslyn PackerLiberal Party of Australia570000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Regional Express Holdings LtdAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Washington H Soul Pattinson and Company LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Pratt Holdings P/LLiberal Party of Australia250000
Wei Wah International Trading Pty LtdALP NSW200000
Balmoral Pastoral Pty LtdLiberal Party of Australia200000
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:03pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:16am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Last time I bothered to look big business and banks backed both majors about the same...  the Unions just backed Labor and I think maybe a little something for The Greens.

The latest list of donations was released recently. It is interesting to see where the money comes from.

Here are the eight largest donations ($200,000 or more).
Mrs Roslyn PackerLiberal Party of Australia570000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Regional Express Holdings LtdAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Washington H Soul Pattinson and Company LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Pratt Holdings P/LLiberal Party of Australia250000
Wei Wah International Trading Pty LtdALP NSW200000
Balmoral Pastoral Pty LtdLiberal Party of Australia200000

pointless cherry picking... link to the whole list and don't forget the banks.
Oh and lets go to the official list not some LW Prog rag.
http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/index.htm
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:22pm
 
Political Donations, particularly from the usual Business & Union sources, are simply ways of "influencing" Politicians & Political Party's or put another way, it is simply another avenue for "graft & Corruption" and as such, Political Donations should be banned!

Elections should be Publicly funded, perhaps being based on the number of votes obtained.

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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:34pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
Bam wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:16am:
Grendel wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:44am:
Last time I bothered to look big business and banks backed both majors about the same...  the Unions just backed Labor and I think maybe a little something for The Greens.

The latest list of donations was released recently. It is interesting to see where the money comes from.

Here are the eight largest donations ($200,000 or more).
Mrs Roslyn PackerLiberal Party of Australia570000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Regional Express Holdings LtdAustralian Labor Party (ALP)250000
Inghams Enterprises Pty LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Washington H Soul Pattinson and Company LimitedLiberal Party of Australia250000
Pratt Holdings P/LLiberal Party of Australia250000
Wei Wah International Trading Pty LtdALP NSW200000
Balmoral Pastoral Pty LtdLiberal Party of Australia200000

pointless cherry picking... link to the whole list and don't forget the banks.
Oh and lets go to the official list not some LW Prog rag.
http://www.aec.gov.au/Parties_and_Representatives/index.htm






lets mention these as well..


Mrs Packer donated more than triple the amount given by the next largest donor for either political party.
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The second most generous donors were Huang Changran and Luo Chuangxiong, who each gave the Labor Party $150,000.
Mr Huang appears to be the chairman of Chinese investment company Yuhu Group, while a search of Fairfax Media's press archives back to the late 1980s reveals no record of Mr Luo.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/political-donations-roslyn-packer-tops-list-with-massive-gift-to-liberal-party-20140203-31wba.html#ixzz2tC2BBtz2


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perceptions_now wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
Political Donations, particularly from the usual Business & Union sources, are simply ways of "influencing" Politicians & Political Party's or put another way, it is simply another avenue for "graft & Corruption" and as such, Political Donations should be banned!

Elections should be Publicly funded, perhaps being based on the number of votes obtained.





maybe a election fund.. like the future fund.... of course either way we foot the bill

they could have cake stalls of course.
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Reply #12 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:48pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:22pm:
Political Donations, particularly from the usual Business & Union sources, are simply ways of "influencing" Politicians & Political Party's or put another way, it is simply another avenue for "graft & Corruption" and as such, Political Donations should be banned!

Elections should be Publicly funded, perhaps being based on the number of votes obtained.



Totally agree. Private donations to political parties should be illegal.
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