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The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:52am
 
The costs of not paying extra for weekend and night work

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    February 13, 2014


After 22 years of continuous economic growth and having dodged the bullet of the global financial crisis Australia needs next to do what exactly? Abolish penalty rates, according to Tony Abbott's business supporters.   Sad      

He has not been quite as blunt as that. Instead, the Prime Minister has used weasel words about supporting applications by business to abolish penalties, but the effect is the same. The government is lending its weight to pressure to undermine the pay and conditions of the poorest paid, most disadvantaged workers in the country.

The penalty rates debate, driven as it is by the restaurant and catering industry association, is divorced from reality. At the very time last November that the association was appealing against a court's decision to maintain penalty rates, the Bureau of Statistics was noting a 10.6 per cent annual increase in restaurant, cafe and catering turnover.

Penalty rates apply much more broadly than in hospitality, and they are crucial to compensating workers for working unsociable hours that are disruptive to families and ruinous to social lives. In fact, Australian workers throughout the economy rely on penalty payments to lift below average wages into the realm of liveability.


More than 75 per cent of United Voice union members work in industries where penalty pay is often applied. They include ambulance paramedics, office and shopping centre cleaners, bakery workers and security guards. They are the backbone of our community: their jobs are essential and it is essential that they are done at unsociable hours.

One of our members, a 63 year-old widow who cleans a major suburban shopping centre, told us last week that she worked the night shift, starting at midnight, because that was the only way her single income became a living wage. Night shift takes her from $664.60 to $863.98 a week.

A survey of our shopping centre cleaner members who work night shift found that most were middle-aged men working full time, and almost half of them are supporting children. Yet despite the night penalties two thirds of them had trouble paying bills and could not afford to visit a dentist, and a quarter of them could not afford to buy a car.      Sad

Ambulance paramedics commonly work a mix of 14-hour and 10-hour shifts on a roster four days on and four days off taking in nights and weekends. For this they receive a fixed penalty of 26.7 per cent. Without that penalty, no one could afford to support a family, Bendigo paramedic Brett Adie told us recently.

The penalty pay is partly compensation for what he gives up by way of his social life, missed family occasions and the chance to coach his children's sport teams. But it is also what pays his mortgage and puts food on the table. “It's a below-average wage without the penalties,” Brett said. “It's not for luxuries; it gets you by every week.”

That is precisely the point overlooked in the public debate being pushed by business's stalking horse, Restaurant & Catering Australia. Penalty rates are not the preserve of university students or backpackers temporarily earning a few extra dollars to support them through next semester or their next adventure.

Working people and their families rely on penalty rates for a decent income. Penalty rates are a traditional way for working people to make up the difference between falling behind their debts on the one hand or creating a little financial security for themselves on the other.

Restaurateurs and the retailers who support their push to abolish penalty pay should be careful what they wish for, because abolishing penalty rates would take an enormous amount of demand out of our economy. The economic damage would be boundless, but there is a fundamental issue of fairness here as well.

Working at night, or at weekends or in a job that impedes your family or social life is a sacrifice deserving of compensation. Australians have long understood that and fought for it. Let us continue to respect those who make that sacrifice and reward them for it.      Smiley      

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Reply #1 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 5:58am
 


There is no valid reason for abolishing penalty-rates.

Greed and selfishness are not valid reasons.
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Reply #2 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 6:04am
 
Don't forget the long-term health effects of working funny shifts:-

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/shift-work?page=2

It's been long known that long term shift work lowers your life expectancy by 5-10 years.  Shocking to consider that so many people in Oz now have that hanging over them - I'm one after my years of 18-20 hour shifts - and what a loss I will be to you all!

Who's going to hold your hands through all the travails of Australia to come, when I am no longer here to do it for you?

Ya gotta love your soft arse fat cats who like to say how easy it all is - how would they know?  Doesn't take too much thinking to understand why history has been filled with revolutions and revolts.

I can only shake my head at the image of a Fat Joe or Skinny Toe or a Red Julia or a Paunchy Kev discussing the cost of fuel they don't pay for - and saying - "Yeah - $2 a litre isn't so bad!  Definitely affordable!"

It's like expecting a feminist who's never missed a square meal or a good night's sleep or a soft ride to a social science degree to understand poverty and oppression....

Truly there will be a day of judgement in the West - soon unless I miss my mark.
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Reply #3 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 10:06am
 
Abolish penalty rates and create lots of new jobs.

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Swagman wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:
Abolish penalty rates and create lots of new jobs.



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Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 12:20pm
 
Easy to say, Swagman but a lot more difficult to prove.

In NZ, employers warned the last Labour Govt that raising the minimum wage would cost jobs.

The Govt ignored them and lifted the wage, anyway.

And guess what? Jobs didn't go down, they went up.
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Reply #6 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:21pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 6:04am:
Don't forget the long-term health effects of working funny shifts:-

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/shift-work?page=2

It's been long known that long term shift work lowers your life expectancy by 5-10 years.  Shocking to consider that so many people in Oz now have that hanging over them - I'm one after my years of 18-20 hour shifts - and what a loss I will be to you all!

Who's going to hold your hands through all the travails of Australia to come, when I am no longer here to do it for you?

Ya gotta love your soft arse fat cats who like to say how easy it all is - how would they know?  Doesn't take too much thinking to understand why history has been filled with revolutions and revolts.

I can only shake my head at the image of a Fat Joe or Skinny Toe or a Red Julia or a Paunchy Kev discussing the cost of fuel they don't pay for - and saying - "Yeah - $2 a litre isn't so bad!  Definitely affordable!"

It's like expecting a feminist who's never missed a square meal or a good night's sleep or a soft ride to a social science degree to understand poverty and oppression....

Truly there will be a day of judgement in the West - soon unless I miss my mark.



I don't have a problem if it's the same shift all the time.

But, when I was shunting on the railway, I worked what's known as 'rotating shifts'.

Which means, you do one week (7 days) of day-shift, then a week of night shift, then a
week of afternoon shift. You then get a week off, then the cycle re-starts.

After a few months of that, the body-clock is stuffed, and it's often hard to work out what
day  (or even week) it is.

As for Swaggie's idea,  'dump penalty rates and create jobs', a far better idea would be to
outlaw 12-hour shifts altogether, and force companies to run three 8-hour shifts instead.
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:43pm
 
The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.
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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:49pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:43pm:
The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.


Are you the Poo Bah of Mars?
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I interviewed for a role at Mars once. Good benefits.
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Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
I interviewed for a role at Mars once. Good benefits.


You rejected the offer from Uranus? Incredible!
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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 7:35pm
 
As a journo, I worked Xmas Day for years. It was treble time and with a family and a mortgage it was too good to resist.

We opened our presents Xmas morning, but had our real celebration on Boxing Day.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 4:07pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
I interviewed for a role at Mars once. Good benefits.


You rejected the offer from Uranus? Incredible!


I won't ask what benefits his anus offered.

The mind boggles.... Cheesy
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Reply #13 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 7:42pm
 
Swagman wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Simples,... lol create mass homelessness and give society a return dose of previously eradicated disease!

Yah, good way to understand complex systems there bro!!
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Swagman wrote on Feb 15th, 2014 at 10:06am:


Total bullshyte!
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