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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #15 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

--> the ol 9 day rotating roster: what a shambles those jobs are!!

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #16 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

As a journo, I worked Xmas Day for years. It was treble time and with a family and a mortgage it was too good to resist.

We opened our presents Xmas morning, but had our real celebration on Boxing Day.

I worked more than one Xmas Day when at the newspapers.

We'd start after lunch, and go til around 2am Boxing Day, to get the
papers out. As much pre=production as possible would be done by
knock-off time on Xmas Eve.

My pay-packet loved it.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #17 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 6:04am:

Don't forget the long-term health effects of working funny shifts:-

http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/shift-work?page=2

It's been long known that long term shift work lowers your life expectancy by 5-10 years. Shocking to consider that so many people in Oz now have that hanging over them - I'm one after my years of 18-20 hour shifts - and what a loss I will be to you all!

Who's going to hold your hands through all the travails of Australia to come, when I am no longer here to do it for you?

Ya gotta love your soft arse fat cats who like to say how easy it all is - how would they know? Doesn't take too much thinking to understand why history has been filled with revolutions and revolts.

I can only shake my head at the image of a Fat Joe or Skinny Toe or a Red Julia or a Paunchy Kev discussing the cost of fuel they don't pay for - and saying - "Yeah - $2 a litre isn't so bad! Definitely affordable!"

It's like expecting a feminist who's never missed a square meal or a good night's sleep or a soft ride to a social science degree to understand poverty and oppression....

Truly there will be a day of judgement in the West - soon unless I miss my mark.

18-20 hours??

What part of Western Australia were you driving trucks in again sorry Cheesy

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #18 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #19 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:55pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

Andrei is fighting to enslave the worker globally!

Shocked

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #20 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 8:20pm

Kat wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:35pm:

As a journo, I worked Xmas Day for years. It was treble time and with a family and a mortgage it was too good to resist.

We opened our presents Xmas morning, but had our real celebration on Boxing Day.

I worked more than one Xmas Day when at the newspapers.

We'd start after lunch, and go til around 2am Boxing Day, to get the
papers out. As much pre=production as possible would be done by
knock-off time on Xmas Eve.

My pay-packet loved it.

I worked a 3-11 shift on Xmas Day.

Had many sober Xmases, but made up for it the next day.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #21 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:03pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

Because it makes sense from a corporate perspective which means the company is more profitable which means job security.
It's the terms we offer, if people don't accept it, there's plenty that will.

I'm a big fan of structuring our base level workforce on rotational rosters.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #22 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:19pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

Because it makes sense from a corporate perspective which means the company is more profitable which means job security.
It's the terms we offer, if people don't accept it, there's plenty that will.

I'm a big fan of structuring our base level workforce on rotational rosters.

Flexibility: Napoleon.. jebus, you're impressive! Grin

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #23 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:24pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:03pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

Because it makes sense from a corporate perspective which means the company is more profitable which means job security.
It's the terms we offer, if people don't accept it, there's plenty that will.

I'm a big fan of structuring our base level workforce on rotational rosters.

Flexibility: Napoleon.. jebus, you're impressive! Grin

It is flexible.
Not everyone wants sat and sun off.
Some prefer mid week.
What about Jews whose sabbath is not sunday?

We save money - we have workers working on weekends at regular pay.
I calcd the initial proposal saves us $450m

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work. Reply #24 - Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:45pm Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm: Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 10:06am: Abolish penalty rates and create lots of new jobs. http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j... Total bullshyte! Why?
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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #25 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:27am

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

The world has moved on, even if you havent noticed; this is the mindset that keeps working people from utilizing their options of flexibility in the workplace. No, I'm not talking about Flexitime in the public service...

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #26 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:31am

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

Swagman wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 10:06am:

Abolish penalty rates and create lots of new jobs.

http://www.theskyisnotyourlimit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/meerkat-219x300.j...

Total bullshyte!

Why?

It's been proven that it does not create any new jobs.

The people employed are just expected to work weekends for ordinary pay.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #27 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:36am

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

The world has moved on, even if you havent noticed; this is the mindset that keeps working people from utilizing their options of flexibility in the workplace. No, I'm not talking about Flexitime in the public service...

Ahhh the old "flexible shirt" mantra ...... on the ever downward spiral to the lowest common denominator.

All the flex has gone out of the shirts & it's time to put some starch back into the washing.

The world hasn't moved on..... it's going backward ... to a time when the work place & conditions were so bad that people banded together to fight to improve them.

You lot want to turn the clock back 70 yrs..... because of greed.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #28 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 9:19am

To solve a problem you as to address the reason behind the reason.
ie you have a fire the best way to stop it is remove the fuel, not attack the flames.
We got a problem with wages and allowances, deal with cost of living issues which drive the need for wages.
ie housing, energy , food etc.
Anything else is a band aid and really just a waste of time.

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Re: The Costs Of Not Paying Extra For Weekend Work.
Reply #29 - Feb 16^th, 2014 at 10:17am

Gnads wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:36am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 8:27am:

Gnads wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

The most cost effective way of structuring work hours is to have shift work where people's regular hours include a Saturday and Sunday normally.
So they do perhaps Weds - Sun and their two days off are Mon and Tues.
Then you have 5 day workers overlapping but with rotational periods off and you don't pay higher rates beyond the normal.

It's often how we structure our work agreements globally for regular level employees.

and you can stick that up your jacksie Andrei!!!

Not everyone works shift work that covers a seven day roster.... and people in 8 to 5 jobs why should they have to work Sat & Sun when all their friends have every weekend off..... like the majority of people.

The working week is Monday to Friday.... if you want people to work Sat & Sun .... then it's gonna cost you extra.

The world has moved on, even if you havent noticed; this is the mindset that keeps working people from utilizing their options of flexibility in the workplace. No, I'm not talking about Flexitime in the public service...

Ahhh the old "flexible shirt" mantra ...... on the ever downward spiral to the lowest common denominator.

All the flex has gone out of the shirts & it's time to put some starch back into the washing.

The world hasn't moved on..... it's going backward ... to a time when the work place & conditions were so bad that people banded together to fight to improve them.

You lot want to turn the clock back 70 yrs..... because of greed.

You seem to be very insecure...let go of the past and embrace the future, Grasshopper!

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