Get rid of the of all penalty rates let the employers dictate what wages should lets say $5 per hour unskilled work that should cover your transport to and from work. Who cares if you can feed clothe or house yourself, after all people just want live to work, not work to live right. As is you want to see ya kids and family weekend anyway. Everyman for himself and fu all I'm alright jack. If you work on weekend you don't deserve to live in a house anyway because of your average performance at school. Only the top 20% of the population deserves to be comfortable the rest of you should work to make them comfortable.
Unions and whs must go making business yo hard to manage

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

What I like best about swags idea is get people from unemployed to underemployed that way the lose any government assistance with housing and medical subs and have to live one $250 a week by working sat and sun. That way less welfare means we pay less tax sweet. Love to hear more swag

Gnads wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:44am:


Two days is better than none.  For lots of individuals such as full time students and stay at home mums weekend work is preferable.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:


Yes training and all the other squillion overhead costs are an issue and also test viability.

Changes in IR policy is always going to be about winners and losers.

It's the unions job to maintain the benefits of their members and its therefore understandable that (most) union officials don't give a stuff about the unemployed and the economy in general.

That's where AWAs were advantageous.  All business situations are different.  Some business situations will need to pay people extra to work on W/E and public holidays simply because of labour supply and demand.  That becomes and incentive rate or a reward rate not a 'penalty' rate.  Even the terminology is negative 

Making the payment of penalty rates a collective law is stupid, uncompetitive, inefficient and causes unemployment and is detrimental to the economy and all these factors will eventually detrimentally effect the members of unions, welfare recipients and the tax-payer.....indeed they already have.  The slow death of manufacturing in this country is a classic example.

Gnads wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 6:44am:


I think what has been lost sight of here is a viable income and a living wage - not just some furphy to get people off the dole.  That helps nobody and especially the employer who will not get the best work.

No incentive - no performance.

LIVING WAGE - it used to exist after decades of Union struggle - as the SINGLE LIVING WAGE - with the advent of women working etc this first became the MADIF, then the utter disaster it has now become with millions out of work and underemployed while a few get all the cream, and costs of living geared to the MADIF.

The whole thing needs to be reverted to a SINGLE FAMILY UNIT LIVING WAGE and all related issues such as employment rights must be based on the Family unit and not just open slather for all - and a family unit can be a single person living alone.

I continue to be astounded that people will fall over themselves to give someone in a job another job - and refuse the person without a job - on the basis that the person with the job is a 'good person' - the other one is a 'bum'!!

Astounding reasoning!  HTF do you get to not be a 'bum' when nobody give you the chance?

smacking morons!

Nope - single living family income  is the only way to save this place...

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

Hey swag.  Are you one of these farmers in line for the govt welfare they're calling drought relief?????

Swagman, what you have you understand about I'mSpartacus2, is that 'he doesn't think'. He just types.

Swagman wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 1:32pm:

It's not bad for the rest of just the person going of the dole who now earns $500 a fortnight instead of $ 370, but looses subsidised accommodation, medicines, rego and alike so working for two days instead of the dole is admirable if you need to support yourself you're up the creek that's the reason so many opt for dole rather than part time work. Obviously part time part work is still appealing to students as a interim while studying and living at home or with a group of friends but this is not a long term options so leave the employer with big training liabilities and high staff turnover.