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Reply #1425 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 2:08pm
 


There is no doubt that the world trade centre buildings where demolished.

There is no way they could have come down the way they did without explosives being planted all over.
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Look at the molten metal coming out of the building like lava.

There is no way jet fuel could do that to the steel beams and girders.

Thermite is the only thing that can do that to steel, problem is planes do not carry the stuff.

Last video on the right shows building 7 collapsing out of sympathy, building 7 was not hit by a plane it was just demolished along with the towers.

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Reply #1427 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 5:44pm
 
Svengali wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 1:56pm:
http://911blogger.com/news/2015-08-08/fourteen-incredible-facts-about-911

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An outline of what was to become the 9/11 Commission Report was produced before the investigation began. The outline was kept secret from the Commission’s staff and appears to have determined the outcome of the investigation.

The 9/11 Commission claimed sixty-three (63) times in its Report that it could find “no evidence” related to important aspects of the crimes.

One person, Shayna Steiger, issued 12 visas to the alleged hijackers in Saudi Arabia. Steiger issued some of the visas without interviewing the applicants and fought with another employee at the embassy who tried to prevent her lax approach.

Before 9/11, the nation’s leading counter-terrorism expert repeatedly notified his friends in the United Arab Emirates of top-secret U.S. plans to capture Osama bin Laden. These treasonous leaks prevented Bin Laden’s capture on at least two separate occasions.

Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger was caught stealing documents from the National Archives that had been requested by the 9/11 Commission. The Commission had previously been denied access to the documents but the White House reluctantly agreed to turn them over just as Berger was trying to steal them.

The official story of the failed air defenses on 9/11 was changed several times and, in the end, paradoxically exonerated the military by saying that the military had lied many times about its response. The man who was behind several of the changing accounts was a specialist in political warfare (i.e. propaganda).

Military exercises being conducted on the day of 9/11 mimicked the attacks as they were occurring and obstructed the response to the attacks.

NORAD commander Ralph Eberhart sponsored those exercises, failed to do his job that day, and later lied to Congress about it (if the 9/11 Commission account is true).

A third skyscraper collapsed late in the afternoon on 9/11. This was WTC 7, a 47-story building that the government’s final report says fell into its own footprint due to office fires. The building’s tenants included U.S. intelligence agencies and a company led in part by Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney. Meetings were scheduled there to discuss terrorism and explosives on the morning of 9/11.

News agencies, including BBC and CNN, announced the destruction of WTC 7 long before it happened. One BBC reporter announced the collapse while viewers could see the still-standing building right behind her in the video. Years later, after claiming that it had lost the tapes and then found them again, BBC’s answer to this astonishing report was that everything was just “confusing and chaotic” that day. Of course, one problem with this is that the news agencies predicted the exact building, of the many damaged in the area, that would collapse. Another big problem is that no one could have possibly predicted the collapse of WTC 7 given the unprecedented and unbelievable official account for how that happened.

Construction of the new, 52-story WTC 7 was completed two years before the government knew what happened to the first WTC 7. In fact, when the new building was completed in 2006, the spokesman for the government investigation said, “We’ve had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7.” The construction of the new building, without regard for how the first one was destroyed, indicates that building construction professionals in New York City did not believe it could ever happen again.

Ultimately, building construction codes were not changed as a result of the root causes cited by the National Institute for Standards and Technology for destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings. This fact shows that the international building construction community does not believe that the WTC buildings were destroyed as stated in the official account.

AMEC, the company that just finished rebuilding the exact spot where Flight 77 was said to hit, was put in charge of cleanup at the WTC and the Pentagon. The man who ran the company, Peter Janson, was a long-time business associate of Donald Rumsfeld.




The response of the U.S. Secret Service to the 9/11 attacks suggests foreknowledge of the events in that the agency failed to protect the president from the obvious danger posed by terrorists.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission notified the FBI of suspected 9/11 insider trading transactions. That evidence was ignored and the suspects were not even questioned by the FBI or the 9/11 Commission.

There are, of course, many more incredible facts about 9/11 that continue to be ignored by authorities and much of the media. Let’s hope that the next major terrorist attack results in legitimate reporting and unified calls for truth before fourteen years have passed.



What a stupid argument!  Standards Groups have decided not to demand new buildings can protect against high speed fully-fuelled flying missiles?  How would you do that anyhow short of fortifying them like a 100 storey TANK.
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Reply #1428 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 5:51pm
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 2:09pm:


Look at the molten metal coming out of the building like lava.

There is no way jet fuel could do that to the steel beams and girders.

Thermite is the only thing that can do that to steel, problem is planes do not carry the stuff.

Last video on the right shows building 7 collapsing out of sympathy, building 7 was not hit by a plane it was just demolished along with the towers.




Just because YOU don't understand how it can happen does now make it fake, Just like how you dont believe in the moon landings because YOU don't understand how it took place.
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Reply #1429 - Mar 5th, 2016 at 6:13pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Mar 5th, 2016 at 5:51pm:
Just because YOU don't understand how it can happen does now make it fake, Just like how you dont believe in the moon landings because YOU don't understand how it took place.


Maz you really are a sucker for the word of the authorities.

I understand enough to know that the way the buildings fell is not possible without a demolition job.

Designing the steel frame would have taken safety factors into account not sure with USA standards but I would guess between 1.5 up to 2.5 or 3 safety factor.

That means it can take more than what is expected.

Some facts for you.

Steel melts at about 1400°C.

Jet fuel at its hottest burns at around 800°C.

If the beams and girders buckled from the heat I could understand that.

But to become molten metal and run like lava is impossible, especially when the jet fuel is limited in supply as this case.

Many sky scrapers have caught fire and burned for hours and hours and not one has collapsed.

There is also Architects and Engineers that have banded together because they do know how these things work and recognise a demolition when they see one.

The 9/11 site should have been the biggest forensic site ever, so Architects and Engineers could work out what exactly happened and why they fell.

That didn't happen.

Yet the started carting the evidence away within a month and the people that were doing this job reported that the steel was still molten.

What about eyewitnesses that claim they heard explosions, people like policemen and firemen.

Stop being a sucker to the word of the authorities.

Oh and that moon landing never happened, going through the magnetic field of the Earth which is filled with radiation, humans couldn't survive that.

We know that the shuttle was made of a thin aluminium skin and some lagging for heat retention.

Dr. David Ray Grifith sums it up perfectly.



Jim Hoffman discusses why they couldn't have fallen the way NIST explained it.

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Reply #1430 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 1:21am
 
There has never been an aircraft crash in which the aircraft, passengers, luggage and everything else has disappeared. Yet that day not 1 but 4 disappeared! A bit odd don't you think?
The largest ever terrorist attack in history and the US Gov did't want an investigation - another first. You gotta wonder why - well no its pretty obvious to those that still have critical thinking skills.
Some of you "denyists" claim to be physics experts - can't see much evidence of that. Whereas I am a physics expert. The official narrative is nonsense.
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Reply #1431 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 7:46am
 
Richdude wrote on Mar 6th, 2016 at 1:21am:
There has never been an aircraft crash in which the aircraft, passengers, luggage and everything else has disappeared. Yet that day not 1 but 4 disappeared! A bit odd don't you think?
The largest ever terrorist attack in history and the US Gov did't want an investigation - another first. You gotta wonder why - well no its pretty obvious to those that still have critical thinking skills.
Some of you "denyists" claim to be physics experts - can't see much evidence of that. Whereas I am a physics expert. The official narrative is nonsense.


4? The plane that crashed into the ground had all its components smashed into the ground and accounted for. if you cannot even get that right your claim to be a 'physics expert' can be dismissed very easily. 

BTW Ive read an entire paper by an ACTUAL physicist who confirms the buildings fall as consistent with what happened. Equations and all.
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Reply #1432 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 10:32am
 
Flight 93 which crashed in Pennsylvania was just a big crater of charcoal.

First people on the scene where police and firemen, they said they saw nothing that resembled an aeroplane.

There were no pieces of the aeroplane to be found, there were no people to be found, there were no belongings to be found.

Nothing.

I might add that the flight 77 that crashed into the pentagon was the same sort of thing.

No plane parts no people no luggage.


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Reply #1433 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 10:53am
 
Fro the start of this topic I have wonder who Bush outsiders are ?
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Reply #1434 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 11:41am
 
Evidence of explosions before and after the aircraft impacts into WTC. Explosions occurred in the basement initially and later elsewhere in the upper floors of the building.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/ExplosionInTowerBeforeJetHitByF...

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SUMMARY
On September 11, 2001, the seismic stations grouped around New York City recorded seismic
events from the WTC site,
two of which occurred immediately prior to the aircraft impacts
upon the
Twin Towers. Because these seismic events preceded the collisions, it is clear they were not
associated with the impacts and must therefore be associated with some other occurrence. None of
the authorities charged with the responsibility for the investigation of the events of 9/11 have
proposed a source for these seismic events, nor have they given a valid reason for the difference in
times between the seismic events and the aircraft impacts. Only by consideration of the evidence of
basement explosions before the aircraft impacts, as experienced by William Rodriquez and 36
others, can an explanation be found for the fact that the seismic stations recorded seismic events
originating from the WTC sites prior to the aircraft impacts
...

BASEMENT EXPLOSIONS
On the face, it seems tenuous that the spikes were "impact times". How does an aircraft impacting
the WTC near the 90th floor result in sufficient energy transference that travels all the way down to
the earth, even through the massive multi-level, 6-story sub-basement structure, and be picked up by
LDEO as a seismic spike? Energy from the crash should have mostly been absorbed by the
building’s immense structure and mass.

The following is an excerpt about an eyewitness at WTC1 by the name of William Rodriguez (he
worked at the WTC complex for 20 years, was acknowledged a hero for the many lives he saved that
day, and he was the last person out of the building before it came down):

Link: http://www.newswithviews.com/Spingola/deanna17.htm
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Arriving at 8:30 on the morning of 9-11 he went to the maintenance office located on the first
sublevel, one of six sub-basements beneath ground level. There were a total of fourteen people in the
office at that same time. As he was discussing the day’s tasks with others, there was a very loud
massive explosion which seemed to emanate from between sub-basement B2 and B3. There were an
additional twenty-two people on B2 sub-basement who also felt and heard that first explosion.


At first he thought it was a generator that had exploded. But the cement walls in the office cracked
from the explosion. "When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated,
the walls started cracking and everything started shaking."
said Rodriguez, who was crowded
together with fourteen other people in the office including Anthony Saltamachia, his supervisor for
the American Building Maintenance Company.

Just seconds later there was another explosion way above which made the building oscillate
momentarily. This, he was later told, was a plane hitting the Tower at about the 90th floor.
Upon
hearing about the plane, he immediately thought of the people up in the restaurant. Then there were
other explosions just above B1 and individuals started heading for the loading dock to escape the
explosion’s resulting rampant fire. When asked later about those first explosions he said: "I would
know if an explosion was from the bottom or the top of the building." He heard explosions both
before and after the plane hit the Tower.

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The number of witnesses who presented evidence of explosion and explosion damage, and
particularly the injuries that some witnesses received, again leaves no room for doubt that there were
explosions in the basement of WTC1.
The following video link is powerful testimony by William
Rodriguez and is evidence that corroborates the facts of this paper; also, these facts corroborate the
37 eyewitnesses in the WTC1 basement: Link: http://www.jonhs.net/911/william_rodriguez.htm
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Reply #1435 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 11:49am
 
Continued from previous post. Explosions in basement of WTC:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/ExplosionInTowerBeforeJetHitByF...
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BASEMENT AND LOBBY DAMAGE
It is noted that the damage caused by these explosions had previously been attributed to aircraft
impact. However, refutation of this is provided by both the testimonies of William Rodriguez in the
above link, and by NYFD Lieutenant William Walsh in the below link. This concerns specifically
the middle, local elevators that were blown off their hinges from below, as evidenced by the doors
resting outward at 45 degree angles that met in the middle near the bottom. These local elevators
serviced only Floors 34 down to the lowest level of the building, Level B6 in the basement. They
could not have been the result of aircraft impact:

Link:[url][url][url][url][url] Testimony, Lt. William Walsh NYFD, Jan 11, 2002.pdf[/url][/url][/url][/url][/url]
WTC Building Layout Link: [url]World Trade Center Building Layout, Floors and Elevators[/url]
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Lt. Walsh- Answer: What else I observed in the lobby was that – there’s basically two areas of
elevators. There’s elevators off to the left-hand side which are really the express elevators. That
would be the elevators that’s facing north. Then on the right-hand side there’s also elevators that are
express elevators, and that would be facing south. In the center of these two elevator shafts would
be elevators that go to the lower floors. They were blown off the hinges. That’s where the service
elevator was also.
Chief Congiusta- Question: Were these elevators that went to the upper floors? They weren’t side
lobby elevators?
Answer: No, no, I’d say that they went through floors 30 and below.
Question: And they were blown off?
...

Answer: They were blown off the hinges, and you could see the shafts. The elevators on the
extreme north side and the other express elevator on the extreme south side, they looked intact to me
from what I could see, the doors anyway…….
…….So I headed for the B stairway. I did not want to deal with elevators. So Ladder 1—
Question: Were there any elevators working or no? Probably no, I assume.
Answer: I couldn’t tell about the express elevators. The elevators that I mentioned before that were
on the extreme north end and the extreme south end, I don’t know about those elevators. But I
headed for where the service elevator was, which was in the center where the lower floor elevators
were, the ones where the doors were blown off them.
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Lieutenant Walsh makes an extremely relevant point when he shows that the local elevator shafts
acted as a conduit for the explosive effects and thereby limits the source of the explosion to the area
covered by those shafts. His evidence shows that the elevator shafts affected by the explosions
served only the lower floors and not those at the impact levels, thereby ruling out jet fuel from the
aircraft as being involved in the explosions.
Additional corroboration of the elevators being blown out is provided by Lt. Brian Becker &
Firefighter Robert Byrne, NYFD: Link: Lt. Brian Becker, NYFD, Elevators Were Blown Out
Link: Firefighter Robert Byrne, NYFD: Core Elevators (Blown Apart)
Since only one elevator shaft was continuous from the aircraft impact level to the basement level, we
can further rule out the aircraft impact as being the cause of the basement explosions by using
additional testimony of William Rodriguez. In direct response to a question which postulated that
the explosion was caused by aircraft fuel traveling down the elevator shafts, he stated, "Very strange
indeed, since there were only one elevator shaft (the 50A car) that went all the way to B6, the
operator was inside, Mr. Griffith and he survived with a broken ankles. He should have died burnt
since on this theory the ball of fire went down. He is alive and well and I will interview him in the
future to clear the disinformation."
Link: William Rodriguez | 08.18.06 - 12:20 am
When talking about the lobby damage and his experiences, Rodriguez added, "I said many times that
when I got back to the basement after escorting a person totally burnt and 14 people from my office
out of the building, there were sprinklers going off on the basement and not on the upper floors. Also
when I got to the lobby, the passenger elevators in the field of view, their doors were popped open
sideways like a pyramid, from the bottom up."
The evidence of William Walsh and William Rodriguez shows that there were explosions that
affected the basement and lobby levels, and these were not caused by the jet fuel.
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Reply #1436 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 11:56am
 
Basement explosions in WTC continued form previous posts:


Quote:
TIME DELAY FROM BASEMENT EXPLOSIONS TO AIRCRAFT IMPACT
The authors have located evidence that possibly shows how long the time was between the initial
explosion and the later impact of AA Flt 11 at WTC1. Jenny Carr was at a business meeting with
others on the morning of 9/11 at 1 Liberty Plaza, and a recording was being made of that meeting.
During this recording a first explosion is heard, and then a second one about 9 seconds later. This
data still needs to be corroborated, and both authors and the Scholars for 9/11 Truth are involved in this; however, it is worth presenting at this time. This was found inside a movie compendium, "9/11
Controlled Demolitions of September 11, 2001". To repeat, this needs further corroboration.
Link: Jenny Carr, Video - 9 Seconds and go in 14 minutes, 30 seconds.
FAA TIMES
Within the Federal Aviation Administration’s “Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events September 11,
2001” are found the impact times of 8:46:35 and 9:03:14.
Link: FAA Summary of Air Traffic Hijack Events September 11,2001
What is interesting is, when the 9 seconds found on the Jenny Carr tape are added to the original
LDEO seismic time of 8:46:26, the result is 8:46:35, the exact FAA impact time for AA Flt 11.
And although anecdotal, it is also intriguing that the FAA’s 9:03:14 for UA Flt 175 matches closely
to the time of 9:03:17 found in the recent Vanity Fair article by Michael Bronner.
Link: Vanity Fair article by Michael Bronner This 9:03:17 time occurred when NEADS received
the call notifying them of a 2nd possible hijacking while “almost simultaneously” people in the
NEADS control room watched Flt 175 crash into WTC2 on CNN, including Colonel Marr, the
commanding officer. This adds credibility to the Commission’s impact time of 9:03:11.
Nevertheless, although the 9/11 Commission referred to this FAA Summary many times in its Final
Report, it still based its impact times upon all the data they had and issued impact times of 8:46:40
and 9:03:11.
NTSB TIMES
Within the flight path studies by the National Transportation Safety Board are found approximate
impact times of 8:46:40 and 9:02:40.
Link: NTSB report, "Flight Path Study-American Airlines Flight 11," Feb. 19, 2002
Link: NTSB report, "Flight Path Study-United Airlines 175," Feb. 19, 2002
These reports, as a matter of course, state times of impact as approximate, this done with an
understanding that higher authority will review all data in determining actual times of impact.
The 9/11 Commission’s impact time of 8:46:40 for AA Flt 11 is the same as is found in the NTSB
report that the Commission referred to in its Note 39.
The Commission referred to the NTSB report for the impact time of UA Flt 175 in its Note 51, but
even in doing so, it rejected the NTSB’s approximate 9:02:40 time and issued instead 9:03:11 as the
official time.

When one examines the radar graph from the study on AA Flt 11, it can be seen there was one last
radar position-plot at the end. This coincides with testimony by Controller Dave Bottiglia who
tracked AA Flt 11 that morning: This is from an article that covers this: “It was now being tracked
by New York Centre, where a controller, Dave Bottiglia, saw it disappear from his screen just before
8.47. It had ploughed into the World Trade Centre's north tower.”
Link: Controller Dave Bottiglia, AA Flt 11 Disappears From Radar
Reference is now made to the original source data used by the 9/11 Commission when analyzing the
impact time supplied by the NTSB flight path study for AA Flight 11. Examination of this and particularly the radar graph supplied by magnification of the ending point area shows the last radar
return from the aircraft before impact at 08.46.40. ... continued
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Reply #1437 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 12:05pm
 
Bush opposed the investigation of 9/11 and Bush should be investigated along with a proper investigation of 9/11.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200609/ExplosionInTowerBeforeJetHitByF...
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CONCLUSION
Several seismic stations recorded seismic signals originating from two events which occurred at the WTC site, immediately prior to both aircraft impacts. Because these signals preceded the impacts there can be no doubt that the seismic signals recorded were not those associated with the aircraft impacts on the Towers. These signals were in fact the seismic spikes associated with the huge basement explosions reported by witnesses. Only by a revision of the previously well-regarded seismic times has NIST been able to attempt to say the times of the aircraft impacts coincide with the seismic signals, and even then, their 8:46:30 first impact time is a fake. Meanwhile, the evidence of basement explosions prior to the impact of AA Flt 11 has not been explored or examined at all, even with so great a cloud of witnesses.

The inescapable conclusions drawn from this analysis and the facts contained herein, cast extreme doubt on the government's claim that these attacks were carried out solely by Middle Eastern terrorists, who would not have had the ability or opportunity to plant the explosive devices, nor
to detonate them so as to be masked and partially hidden by the aircraft impacts. The real perpetrators, those who actually did plant these devices, clearly had free access to the Towers. The total number of people who had this opportunity was small and a list of these people should be easily
available. Middle Eastern terrorists alone could not have been responsible as they do not have the wherewithal of this kind of scale. It is more than remarkable that the 9/11 Commission, although it had heard the testimony of William Rodriguez regarding the explosions in the basements, did not
deem it important enough to be included in the Final Report. In Rodriguez’s testimony he says many of his fellow witnesses wanted to give their testimony to the Commission, and tried repeatedly to bring this about, but the 9/11 Commission never called any of them. Rodriguez said the only
reason he was able to appear out of all of them was because he was instrumental in bringing about the actual formation of the Commission (he was heavily involved with many of the families of the victims who were trying to get a commission formed to investigate 9/11).

This analysis has examined the evidence of basement explosions as given by William Rodriguez and others and has shown by the evidence given by William Walsh, and by examination of the Tower’s elevator layout, that it is not physically possible that these could have the aircraft impact as their
source.

The analysis has identified further information from Jenny Carr and shown that this confirms the evidence of William Rodriguez that the basement explosions preceded the first aircraft impact by nine seconds. Examination of the various times given for the seismic events and aircraft impacts,
detailed by the FAA, the NTSB and the LDEO original seismic analysis confirm that there was a time delay between the basement explosions and the aircraft impact.

THEREFORE, the facts in this paper, which pertain directly to the greatest crime and conspiracy of modern times, demand a new independent, quasi private/public, non-politicized 9/11 investigation (a real one this time, one with teeth) be formed immediately to pursue this crime investigation until the murderers / conspirators are identified, apprehended, and brought to justice. All Americans, especially the NYPD, the Attorney General for the State of New York, Congress, and the Bush Administration need to work in answering this question: Who are the ones responsible for the
explosions before the planes hit the buildings? To ignore the facts of this paper would be intellectual dishonesty at best, and if the government and
the media do not respond, it is like an admission of guilt and/or continued coverup.

Five years is long enough. Now is the time for justice for those who died that day, justice for their families and friends who
grieve to this day, justice for all the victims who survived, and that those who did this heinous act receive the full measure of justice befitting their crime.
No stone should be left unturned until these murderers are caught. Now is the time for the new 9/11 investigation.
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Reply #1439 - Mar 6th, 2016 at 12:17pm
 
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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery &  prison" Regas Feraeos
 
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