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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1366 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:09pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Off topic you 2 clowns.
I'll re-post.
Gizmo you are becoming more shrill and fearful with each post. Please try to deal with the facts or get a better script.
Those towers had 27 acres of steel reinforced concrete floors which dissolved into dust BEFORE they hit the ground. How can a gravity/pancake collapse cause this? It can't - violates the laws of physics and common sense but then common sense is not common to all.

And the belief that it was a controlled detonation doesn't hold up either, since it would require the collusion thousands, or tens of thousands of people, and would months to set up.

Do you truly think that all the people working in and/or visiting the Twin Towers were all part of the big 'conspiracy'???

And the floors did NOT dissolve to dust, they fractured.

Try sticking to the facts.
You appear to have a credibility problem.
Those buildings did in fact turn to dust - even Mayor Guiliani said so. If they had "fractured" (as you say) there would be a stack of broken pancaked floors a 100' high after they collapsed. Where did they go? Well, there was a 4" thick carpet of dust covering several square miles of lower Manhattan. That dust would have been a mixture of concrete, drywall, glass and other debris including body parts.
What could have pulverized those buildings so completely?

Ok, what real world, actual possible event did it then??? (apart from controlled detonation of course, which would be impossible to set up "secretly")

Incidentally,

dropping a slab of concrete from 1300

feet on to other rubble and debris would pretty much powder it.

Not a bad analogy - except that the slab dissolved midair into dust.
Takes a lot of power to turn an 8" steel reinforced slab of concrete to a pyroclastic powder - especially when you have 27 acres of it.
Those buildings were blown to hell.

By what, and how??

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1367 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:16pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:01am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Off topic you 2 clowns.
I'll re-post.
Gizmo you are becoming more shrill and fearful with each post. Please try to deal with the facts or get a better script.
Those towers had 27 acres of steel reinforced concrete floors which dissolved into dust BEFORE they hit the ground. How can a gravity/pancake collapse cause this? It can't - violates the laws of physics and common sense but then common sense is not common to all.

And the belief that it was a controlled detonation doesn't hold up either, since it would require the collusion thousands, or tens of thousands of people, and would months to set up.

Do you truly think that all the people working in and/or visiting the Twin Towers were all part of the big 'conspiracy'???

And the floors did NOT dissolve to dust, they fractured.

Try sticking to the facts.
You appear to have a credibility problem.
Those buildings did in fact turn to dust - even Mayor Guiliani said so. If they had "fractured" (as you say) there would be a stack of broken pancaked floors a 100' high after they collapsed. Where did they go? Well, there was a 4" thick carpet of dust covering several square miles of lower Manhattan. That dust would have been a mixture of concrete, drywall, glass and other debris including body parts.
What could have pulverized those buildings so completely?

Ok, what real world, actual possible event did it then??? (apart from controlled detonation of course, which would be impossible to set up "secretly")

Incidentally,

dropping a slab of concrete from 1300

feet on to other rubble and debris would pretty much powder it.

Not a bad analogy - except that the slab dissolved midair into dust.
Takes a lot of power to turn an 8" steel reinforced slab of concrete to a pyroclastic powder - especially when you have 27 acres of it.
Those buildings were blown to hell.

Perhaps by the impact of a jet plane at high speed??

My mistake.
I thought you were an intelligent person.

Yes that was your mistake...I am an intelligent person, which is why I don't believe the whole "inside job/magic invisible explosives" scenario.

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1368 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:33pm

It is impossible for a wing tip to cut through 14" steel columns.

I agree.....impossible.

I would be calling for a full independent inquiry if one of my loved ones had have been killed that day.......oh that's right, most of the relatives have been, for the last ten years.

Who's running for President that would do it? Hilary lol, Trump lol, none of them will, not until the last living relative is dead and buried, then someone might take the risk.

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1369 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:43pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:33pm:

It is impossible for a wing tip to cut through 14" steel columns.

I agree.....impossible.

I would be calling for a full independent inquiry if one of my loved ones had have been killed that day.......oh that's right, most of the relatives have been, for the last ten years.

Who's running for President that would do it? Hilary lol, Trump lol, none of them will, not until the last living relative is dead and buried, then someone might take the risk.

Like it's impossible for a piece of straw to go through a wooden plank??

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1370 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:46pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:01am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Off topic you 2 clowns.
I'll re-post.
Gizmo you are becoming more shrill and fearful with each post. Please try to deal with the facts or get a better script.
Those towers had 27 acres of steel reinforced concrete floors which dissolved into dust BEFORE they hit the ground. How can a gravity/pancake collapse cause this? It can't - violates the laws of physics and common sense but then common sense is not common to all.

And the belief that it was a controlled detonation doesn't hold up either, since it would require the collusion thousands, or tens of thousands of people, and would months to set up.

Do you truly think that all the people working in and/or visiting the Twin Towers were all part of the big 'conspiracy'???

And the floors did NOT dissolve to dust, they fractured.

Try sticking to the facts.
You appear to have a credibility problem.
Those buildings did in fact turn to dust - even Mayor Guiliani said so. If they had "fractured" (as you say) there would be a stack of broken pancaked floors a 100' high after they collapsed. Where did they go? Well, there was a 4" thick carpet of dust covering several square miles of lower Manhattan. That dust would have been a mixture of concrete, drywall, glass and other debris including body parts.
What could have pulverized those buildings so completely?

Ok, what real world, actual possible event did it then??? (apart from controlled detonation of course, which would be impossible to set up "secretly")

Incidentally,

dropping a slab of concrete from 1300

feet on to other rubble and debris would pretty much powder it.

Not a bad analogy - except that the slab dissolved midair into dust.
Takes a lot of power to turn an 8" steel reinforced slab of concrete to a pyroclastic powder - especially when you have 27 acres of it.
Those buildings were blown to hell.

Perhaps by the impact of a jet plane at high speed??

My mistake.
I thought you were an intelligent person.

Yes that was your mistake...I am an intelligent person, which is why I don't believe the whole "inside job/magic invisible explosives" scenario.

Nope! Not in my mind.
Intelligent people have open minds that weigh up the facts and evidence - then make a decision.
It is obvious that you have never looked at the evidence.
To my knowledge not one architect or engineer that has seen "Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth" video have agreed with the "Official" narrative after watching it.

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #1371 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:01am:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:26am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 1:44pm:

Off topic you 2 clowns.
I'll re-post.
Gizmo you are becoming more shrill and fearful with each post. Please try to deal with the facts or get a better script.
Those towers had 27 acres of steel reinforced concrete floors which dissolved into dust BEFORE they hit the ground. How can a gravity/pancake collapse cause this? It can't - violates the laws of physics and common sense but then common sense is not common to all.

And the belief that it was a controlled detonation doesn't hold up either, since it would require the collusion thousands, or tens of thousands of people, and would months to set up.

Do you truly think that all the people working in and/or visiting the Twin Towers were all part of the big 'conspiracy'???

And the floors did NOT dissolve to dust, they fractured.

Try sticking to the facts.
You appear to have a credibility problem.
Those buildings did in fact turn to dust - even Mayor Guiliani said so. If they had "fractured" (as you say) there would be a stack of broken pancaked floors a 100' high after they collapsed. Where did they go? Well, there was a 4" thick carpet of dust covering several square miles of lower Manhattan. That dust would have been a mixture of concrete, drywall, glass and other debris including body parts.
What could have pulverized those buildings so completely?

Ok, what real world, actual possible event did it then??? (apart from controlled detonation of course, which would be impossible to set up "secretly")

Incidentally,

dropping a slab of concrete from 1300

feet on to other rubble and debris would pretty much powder it.

Not a bad analogy - except that the slab dissolved midair into dust.
Takes a lot of power to turn an 8" steel reinforced slab of concrete to a pyroclastic powder - especially when you have 27 acres of it.
Those buildings were blown to hell.

Perhaps by the impact of a jet plane at high speed??

My mistake.
I thought you were an intelligent person.

Yes that was your mistake...I am an intelligent person, which is why I don't believe the whole "inside job/magic invisible explosives" scenario.

Nope! Not in my mind.
Intelligent people have open minds that weigh up the facts and evidence - then make a decision.
It is obvious that you have never looked at the evidence.
To my knowledge not one architect or engineer that has seen "Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth" video have agreed with the "Official" narrative after watching it.

Incorrect. I have looked at the evidence and there is no logical way that the controlled detonation scenario could have taken place.
That is not to say I agree 100% with the 'official' story, but neither do I think that the US government planned and carried out those attacks.

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Reply #1372 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:57pm

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Nope! Not in my mind.
Intelligent people have open minds that weigh up the facts and evidence - then make a decision.
It is obvious that you have never looked at the evidence.
To my knowledge not one architect or engineer that has seen "Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth" video have agreed with the "Official" narrative after watching it.

Touche my friend, you would also think the government would have made the site the biggest forensic site in the world giving all statutory bodies in the country the opportunity and time to asses WHY the buildings came down and what actually happened.

In one month they started cleaning up the rubble while denying most requests for a site visit.

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Reply #1373 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:59pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Incorrect. I have looked at the evidence and there is no logical way that the controlled detonation scenario could have taken place.
That is not to say I agree 100% with the 'official' story, but neither do I think that the US government planned and carried out those attacks.

It was controlled demolition all the way, which means months of setting up which means that Bin Ladden and his k47 carrying shepherds couldn't have done it.

Inside job.

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Reply #1374 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:15pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Incorrect. I have looked at the evidence and there is no logical way that the controlled detonation scenario could have taken place.
That is not to say I agree 100% with the 'official' story, but neither do I think that the US government planned and carried out those attacks.

It was controlled demolition all the way, which means months of setting up which means that Bin Ladden and his k47 carrying shepherds couldn't have done it.

Inside job.

Which NO ONE happened to notice??

And where are the affidavits from the crew that set it up, or confessions from them?

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Reply #1375 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Incorrect. I have looked at the evidence and there is no logical way that the controlled detonation scenario could have taken place.
That is not to say I agree 100% with the 'official' story, but neither do I think that the US government planned and carried out those attacks.

It was controlled demolition all the way, which means months of setting up which means that Bin Ladden and his k47 carrying shepherds couldn't have done it.

Inside job.

Which NO ONE happened to notice??

And where are the affidavits from the crew that set it up, or confessions from them?

Well Marvin Bush was in charge of security that's George Bush's younger brother.

And people do recall many tradesman going in and out of the buildings leading up to 9/11.

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Reply #1376 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:32pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:21pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:15pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:59pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:56pm:

Incorrect. I have looked at the evidence and there is no logical way that the controlled detonation scenario could have taken place.
That is not to say I agree 100% with the 'official' story, but neither do I think that the US government planned and carried out those attacks.

It was controlled demolition all the way, which means months of setting up which means that Bin Ladden and his k47 carrying shepherds couldn't have done it.

Inside job.

Which NO ONE happened to notice??

And where are the affidavits from the crew that set it up, or confessions from them?

Well Marvin Bush was in charge of security that's George Bush's younger brother.

And people do recall many tradesman going in and out of the buildings leading up to 9/11.

Which would not be all that unusual for buildings of that size. Do these people recall the tradesmen carrying kilometres of cables and hundreds of kilos of explosive?

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Reply #1377 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:33pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:57pm:

Richdude wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Nope! Not in my mind.
Intelligent people have open minds that weigh up the facts and evidence - then make a decision.
It is obvious that you have never looked at the evidence.
To my knowledge not one architect or engineer that has seen "Architects and Engineers For 9/11 Truth" video have agreed with the "Official" narrative after watching it.

Touche my friend, you would also think the government would have made the site the biggest forensic site in the world giving all statutory bodies in the country the opportunity and time to asses WHY the buildings came down and what actually happened.

In one month they started cleaning up the rubble while denying most requests for a site visit.

Yes they destroyed the evidence.
The steel from those buildings were loaded onto ships and immediately shipped to Asia. Destroying evidence from a crime scene is illegal. Now why would they do that?
As you say that steel would have given investigators the reason why those towers failed and provided valuable information.

Conclusion: Cover-up.

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Reply #1379 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:48pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 1:32pm:

Which would not be all that unusual for buildings of that size. Do these people recall the tradesmen carrying kilometres of cables and hundreds of kilos of explosive?

Don't know why don't you ask them.... Tongue

So, no written reports about it on any of the 911 truther sites???

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