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Reply #930 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:05am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:59am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:31am:

My husband & I talk about 9/11 (and other associated conspiracies/mysteries for that matter) quite a lot. Why? It's forever being rehashed on Foxtel's History Channel.

Our take on the matter? We wouldn't be surprised if 9/11 was another US False Flag Operation.

then you would be an idiot. You need to learn to objectively analyse evidence as well as construct a motive. What possible motive exists in making this an inside job especially when Al Aquaeda admits to it.

and 'false flag' is the terminology of nutters especially when you provide ZERO evidence to support it.

And Lisa, I assume you have doubts about the moon landings as well?

Hey, wait a minute, I said that I would not be surprised if 9/11 was a false flag operation. I didn't say it actually was. It's possibe that 9/11 was another Pearl Harbour ie the US knew it was comng and allowed it to. Why? It was the expedient reason required to enter a war.

In my opinion, it has likely happened and will likely happen again. Nothing definitive here, just making a few observations (as an outsider) based on history.

That Pearl Harbour story has been comprehensively debunked the same way the 911 conspiracy has been debunked. the evidence simply ISNT there. In fact the conspiracists rely on absence of evidence or explanation and then insert their own disinformation and opinion. Witness the argument that the WTC was demolished by preorganised demolition. This has also been comprehensively disproved. in the vast majority of cases in any incident, the truth is what it appears to be and nothing more. Conspiracists rely on people being gullible to believe in something because they cannot understand the real reason. Just because someone doesn't understand how 911 happened or how the buildings fell or whatever doesn't imply conspiracy. It merely shows a lack of knowledge which we all have on a variety of topics.

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Reply #931 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:08am

Richdude wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 1:58am:

Setanta wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 1:02am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 9:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2015 at 10:33am:

did you see the gash on one side of the building that was 15 stories high? and it wasn't just any fire. It was a fire that was not being attended to for rather obvious reasons. But the real failure in your logic is to assume WTC7 was a conspiracy just because you don't know why it collapsed. Lack of knowledge and lack of explanation does not impute a conspiracy - at least not in sane people.

We can assume from footage of both plane crashes that the holes were caused by the impact of the planes. Nothing new to see here. As for WTC7, the explanation that I got was that the buildings were connected somehow and the fire spread to that building and weakened the structure there. I just find that unlikely. Plus, I would take issue with the construction design if that's how easy it is to collapse a building indirectly impacted by primary source area of fire.

WTC7 had the subway running under it. It had very long steel beams that traversed that area as you cannot stick pylons into the subway. It also contained an emergency control centre and had rather large fuel reserves, these were at the rear. The rear was hit with debris from the towers and damaged, you can see the damage in the photos, the fuel burnt, the long beams lost strength and collapsed. Look at the design, you will see what I'm saying.

Other than that, I'm apparently a limp wristed dupe and a freemason.

Nope just gullible!
Anyone who believes that has no understanding of construction standards or physics.
The NIST report into building 7 blames column 68 for failing which led to a simultaneous, global collapse. Interestingly they would not release the computer modelling which displayed these findings. Nothing more than a cover up to counter the overwhelming evidence that Build 7 was a controlled demolition.

perhaps if you could answer the question of 'why' you might understand more. WHY would anyone demolish WTC7 after the rest had already fallen? Even if you believe the idiotic premise that 911 was to give an excuse for war, how does WTC7 in any way add to that?

a little bit of thinking might help.

but here is a website I think you might really enjoy...

http://nodisinfo.com/

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Reply #933 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders Reply #934 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am: Lisa, I assume you have doubts about the moon landings as well? No not at all. Why would you think that?
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Reply #935 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

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Reply #937 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:31am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

Lisa, I assume you have doubts about the moon landings as well?

No not at all. Why would you think that?

its a good answer. the moon landing question is virtually a litmus test for conspiracy theorists. they don't believe they happened either. congrats... you passed!

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Reply #939 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

Covert operations have evidence eh? Actually they don't and that is why they are termed covert. In fact, their every detail is top secret and classified.

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Reply #940 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:34am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

Covert operations have evidence eh? Actually they don't and that is why they are termed covert. In fact, their every detail is top secret and classified.

Longy is not intelligent.

he is forgiven

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Re: 911 was an inside job by Bush insiders
Reply #941 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:38am

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:31am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

Lisa, I assume you have doubts about the moon landings as well?

No not at all. Why would you think that?

its a good answer. the moon landing question is virtually a litmus test for conspiracy theorists. they don't believe they happened either. congrats... you passed!

Umm longweekend58, I know my history (having studied WW1 and WW2 as part of my history minor at Uni I feel I am entitled to say so). I'm not just a housewife and mummy.

Just so you lol

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Reply #942 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:48am

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

Covert operations have evidence eh? Actually they don't and that is why they are termed covert. In fact, their every detail is top secret and classified.

I therefore posit the rather obvious question of how you or anyone is ever aware of a covert operation if they are completely hidden? the fact is that covert operations are not always completely covert nor are they forever hidden. but conspiracy theories live and breathe on the absence of facts or motives.

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Reply #943 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 12:18pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

Covert operations have evidence eh? Actually they don't and that is why they are termed covert. In fact, their every detail is top secret and classified.

I therefore posit the rather obvious question of how you or anyone is ever aware of a covert operation if they are completely hidden? the fact is that covert operations are not always completely covert nor are they forever hidden. but conspiracy theories live and breathe on the absence of facts or motives.

WTC 7 being demolished by pre-planted explosives is hardly covert. Governments work on the big lie theory.

"...A big lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." Hitler asserted the technique was used by Jews to unfairly blame Germany's loss in World War I on German Army officer Erich Ludendorff..."

What is impudent is the people who defend the big lie.

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Reply #944 - Jan 4^th, 2015 at 12:26pm

Svengali wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 12:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 4^th, 2015 at 11:16am:

Longweekend58, I have edited my post a tad.

Even so, you are an intelligent Christian gentleman and as such, you ought to know that the govts of this world, ALL of them, consist of politicians who play covert games using expedient overt excuses/reasons to justify their Machiavellian strategies.

And sadly, that my dear friend, is what (national/international) politics has always been and always will be about.

that's a big difference between politicians with covert operations and the insanity of conspiracy theorists. Covert operations have evidence and motive and means. conspiracy theories rely largely on absence of motive, absence of evidence and a massive does of mental illness. Why for instance are the conspiracy theorists always wide-eyed nutters and not professors of science or deep thinkers?

Covert operations have evidence eh? Actually they don't and that is why they are termed covert. In fact, their every detail is top secret and classified.

I therefore posit the rather obvious question of how you or anyone is ever aware of a covert operation if they are completely hidden? the fact is that covert operations are not always completely covert nor are they forever hidden. but conspiracy theories live and breathe on the absence of facts or motives.

WTC 7 being demolished by pre-planted explosives is hardly covert. Governments work on the big lie theory.

"...A big lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, about the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously." Hitler asserted the technique was used by Jews to unfairly blame Germany's loss in World War I on German Army officer Erich Ludendorff..."

What is impudent is the people who defend the big lie.

and you think literally quoting Adolf Hitler improves your credibility???

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