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Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt.
Reply #60 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:13am

viewpoint wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

____ wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Herbie—you do realise that fossil fuel industries have sought to make AGW a Right v Left thing instead of a science thing?

Actions like the market–based Carbon Price are not Trojan horses for socialism. (A new Red under the Bed nonsense.)

We cannot combat AGW without bringing the electorate along with us. Greens are a problem here, not the solution.

I would of thought one of Australia's problems is both old parties have AGW denialists in them.

Australia's inconvenience is having Green twats like you come into the country and bludge off it, then offer your ridiculous tree-hugging shyte about what it should or shouldn't do without invitation.

Listen, chum, I maybe green but would never be a Green. I have lived here since 1957. I have worked since I was 18 and started and ran two businesses that employed people—I have put bread on peoples’ tables! You?

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Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt.
Reply #61 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 10:02am

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:13am:

viewpoint wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:00am:

____ wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:41am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:35am:

Herbie—you do realise that fossil fuel industries have sought to make AGW a Right v Left thing instead of a science thing?

Actions like the market–based Carbon Price are not Trojan horses for socialism. (A new Red under the Bed nonsense.)

We cannot combat AGW without bringing the electorate along with us. Greens are a problem here, not the solution.

I would of thought one of Australia's problems is both old parties have AGW denialists in them.

Australia's inconvenience is having Green twats like you come into the country and bludge off it, then offer your ridiculous tree-hugging shyte about what it should or shouldn't do without invitation.

Listen, chum, I maybe green but would never be a Green. I have lived here since 1957. I have worked since I was 18 and started and ran two businesses that employed people—I have put bread on peoples’ tables! You?

I was referring to Greenswine the originator of this stupid thread, but if you want to jump in, I can only think you have a guilty conscience. Go back to sleep "chum".

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #62 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 11:35am No guilty conscience here at all, chum, but you did quote one of my posts in your garbage.
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Reply #63 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 11:54am

Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:50am:

progressiveslol wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 6:40am:

Good that the greens give an outright example of their little dictator traits.

That's a bit rich, coming from someone who supports Rightist filth such as Abbott and Newman.

Got a bit of a hide calling others 'dictators'.

Yeh I guess. The coalition want to shut corruption up, greens want to shut ordinary australians up

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #64 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 11:57am The LNP want to hide corruption by companies so have show trials called Royal Commissions into unions. Sometimes these RCs turn around and bite the originator on the bum.
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Reply #65 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:00pm

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Poor old fascist left, they are unable to convince people by fair means so they try foul means, they are just trying to convert everyone to idiocy.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

The greens are fascists who demonise anyone who disagrees with their myopic world views.

Do the greens tolerate people who do not agree with green lunacy?

You are both labelling the Greens "fascists" without any proof. Fascism is a RIGHT-WING ideology. The Greens are a party of the LEFT. It is an inaccurate comparison to the extent of being deliberately deceitful.

If you had called the Greens socialists that might have got off the ground, but fascist? Grin

They have no idea of what socialism (small 's') is, and in their ignorance equate it with Communism.

Not the same thing. At all.

Never was, never will be.

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Reply #66 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

Socialism morphs into communism eventually, its well known that once you head down that slippery slope thats where you end up, I mean picture a country being run by a bunch of people like Kat, you know its going to end in total disaster, be like the old East Germany where they have to plant land mines and have machine gun posts everywhere to stop the sane from escaping. Cheesy

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Reply #67 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:55pm

Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:22am:

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:28pm:

Poor old fascist left, they are unable to convince people by fair means so they try foul means, they are just trying to convert everyone to idiocy.

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 10:38pm:

The greens are fascists who demonise anyone who disagrees with their myopic world views.

Do the greens tolerate people who do not agree with green lunacy?

You are both labelling the Greens "fascists" without any proof. Fascism is a RIGHT-WING ideology. The Greens are a party of the LEFT. It is an inaccurate comparison to the extent of being deliberately deceitful.

If you had called the Greens socialists that might have got off the ground, but fascist? Grin

They have no idea of what socialism (small 's') is, and in their ignorance equate it with Communism.

Not the same thing. At all.

Never was, never will be.

No Bam, Fascism is NOT specifically either Left or Right. It combines the worst points of both.

And Kat, the reason most people confuse fascism and socialism with communism is that almost ALL Fascist/Communist regimes have claim (in public) to be Socialist regimes.
Orwell's book Animal Farm is, in truth, a pretty accurate description of modern human Socialist governments.

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Reply #68 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:27pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

“Politicised science”—the weird words of deniers.

But don't you 'believe' that skepticism ( it's not denial, no matter how much you try to spin it) is politically motivated???

(1) Scare quotes is a sure sign of bias.
(2) Your affixing the label "skepticism" does not make it so. (And that's not scare quotes, by the way, that's a direct quotation.) There's a clear difference between a sceptic and a denier. A sceptic is willing to consider contrary evidence. A denier is not.
(3) People are motivated for all sorts of reasons. Politics is important, but a bigger motivation is money. Most of the organisations that obfuscate climate science have financial links to the fossil fuel industry.

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The alarmist side is very much motivated by politics, not science.

Do you honestly think deniers are not?

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Science doesn't call for purges when confronted by differences of opinion.

Science is not a matter of opinion, only differences in interpretation.

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Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt.
Reply #69 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:44pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Socialism morphs into communism eventually, its well known that once you head down that slippery slope thats where you end up, I mean picture a country being run by a bunch of people like Kat, you know its going to end in total disaster, be like the old East Germany where they have to plant land mines and have machine gun posts everywhere to stop the sane from escaping. Cheesy

And capitalism morphs into fascism, as we see today. Sad

Got anything but BS and insults?

If not, smack off.

Bit 'over' this crap.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #70 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:51pm With the world continuing to warm it is not skepticism but denial.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #71 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:10pm Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Got anything but BS and insults? If not, smack off. LOL, oh the ironing.
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Reply #72 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:13pm

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

“Politicised science”—the weird words of deniers.

But don't you 'believe' that skepticism ( it's not denial, no matter how much you try to spin it) is politically motivated???

(1) Scare quotes is a sure sign of bias.
(2) Your affixing the label "skepticism" does not make it so. (And that's not scare quotes, by the way, that's a direct quotation.) There's a clear difference between a sceptic and a denier. A sceptic is willing to consider contrary evidence. A denier is not.
(3) People are motivated for all sorts of reasons. Politics is important, but a bigger motivation is money. Most of the organisations that obfuscate climate science have financial links to the fossil fuel industry.

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The alarmist side is very much motivated by politics, not science.

Do you honestly think deniers are not?

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Science doesn't call for purges when confronted by differences of opinion.

Science is not a matter of opinion, only differences in interpretation.

And 80% of people who don't accept AGW (or ACC) are skeptics, not deniers. YES there is a small group of people in the 'don't believe in AGW camp' who refuse to believe that any warming has occurred/is occurring, but they are mostly the 'New Earth Creationists who just want to bag out science in general, because that means they can also debunk evolution and paleontology (so they hope to bring the Adam and Eve thing back into favour). Of course there is also a small group in the pro-warming camp who push AGW (ACC_ because they think humans are a plague and hate any sort of technology (and/or because they think Gaia/Mother Earth is telling them to). However, most people, on both sides are all about the science, and the different viewpoints on the science. So labeling everyone who disagrees with the mainstream version of AGW is as dishonest as labeling everyone who agrees with the mainstream version as a brainless treehugger.

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St George of the Garden Gold Member Offline http://tinyurl.com/n 3o8m2x Posts: 9809 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #73 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:18pm Deniers are deniers are deniers.
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #74 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:38pm Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:10pm: Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Got anything but BS and insults? If not, smack off. LOL, oh the ironing. Yep
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