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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #75 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:30pm Datalife wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:10pm: Kat wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:44pm: Got anything but BS and insults? If not, smack off. LOL, oh the ironing. Better get back to it then, ought'nt you? Don't want an 'Oh my goodness, the chips' incident, do you?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Time Australia Purged AGW Denialist From Govt. Reply #76 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm AGW boosters should not be in government. There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.
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Reply #77 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:01pm

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

We’ll serve this one up for supper, dear. Do you think we should drizzle some gravy over it?

It looks a bit empty on its own.

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Reply #78 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:39pm

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Perhaps not.

But, if there is even a chance that we can mitigate it, shouldn't we try?

Or should the almighty dollar triumph at any cost, including that of the
existence of the human race as we know it?

Forget the 'man-made' BS for a moment and just accept that the place
is getting warmer.

Which, obviously, it is.

Now! If we can't do anything, then so be it. We're fecked, as a 'civilised'
species (but the species WILL survive, as it has through similar warming
and cooling incidents in the past).

But, having said that, should we give up and not even try?

And, if 'disaster' happens to NOT eventuate, then we still win because
of the development of new technology which can only be of benefit to
mankind.

**(Oh, sorry. I forgot. I'm a 'leftie' and so have no idea. Yeah, and root you, too.)**

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Reply #79 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:47pm

____ wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 7:14am:

Sack all Cabinet climate change sceptics, say the Greens

The Green Party of England and Wales has called for a purge of government advisers and ministers who do not share its views on climate change. Published 14 February of 2014.

Any senior adviser refusing to accept “the scientific consensus on climate change” should be sacked, it said.

Party leader Natalie Bennett said the rule must apply to all senior advisers, including those with no responsibility for environmental issues.

David Cameron says he suspects recent storms are linked to climate change.

Speaking recently, the prime minister said that while a single weather pattern could not be attributed to climate change, many scientists were talking of a link between the two and the UK should be prepared for more extreme weather.

But some Tory MPs and peers, Lord Lawson being the most prominent, have cast doubt on scientific theories on climate change which argue human activity is predominately responsible for recent rises in global temperatures.
‘Emergency’

The Greens are now insisting the government gets rid of any cabinet minister who takes a different view on climate change

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26187711[/url]

You Greens are all barking mad and horribly dictatorial.
You should be - are - shunned by decent people. You not only tolerate but encourage the eco-fascists among you.

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Reply #80 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:18pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 4:27pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

St George of the Garden wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

“Politicised science”—the weird words of deniers.

But don't you 'believe' that skepticism ( it's not denial, no matter how much you try to spin it) is politically motivated???

(1) Scare quotes is a sure sign of bias.
(2) Your affixing the label "skepticism" does not make it so. (And that's not scare quotes, by the way, that's a direct quotation.) There's a clear difference between a sceptic and a denier. A sceptic is willing to consider contrary evidence. A denier is not.
(3) People are motivated for all sorts of reasons. Politics is important, but a bigger motivation is money. Most of the organisations that obfuscate climate science have financial links to the fossil fuel industry.

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The alarmist side is very much motivated by politics, not science.

Do you honestly think deniers are not?

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Science doesn't call for purges when confronted by differences of opinion.

Science is not a matter of opinion, only differences in interpretation.

And 80% of people who don't accept AGW (or ACC) are skeptics, not deniers. YES there is a small group of people in the 'don't believe in AGW camp' who refuse to believe that any warming has occurred/is occurring, but they are mostly the 'New Earth Creationists who just want to bag out science in general, because that means they can also debunk evolution and paleontology (so they hope to bring the Adam and Eve thing back into favour). Of course there is also a small group in the pro-warming camp who push AGW (ACC_ because they think humans are a plague and hate any sort of technology (and/or because they think Gaia/Mother Earth is telling them to). However, most people, on both sides are all about the science, and the different viewpoints on the science. So labeling everyone who disagrees with the mainstream version of AGW is as dishonest as labeling everyone who agrees with the mainstream version as a brainless treehugger.

Why are you making up bogus statistics?

And the rest of your post goes downhill from there.

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Reply #81 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Rubbish.

Firstly, where does the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Secondly, what does CO2 do to infrared radiation? It blocks it.

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Reply #82 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:59am

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Rubbish.

Firstly, where does the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Secondly, what does CO2 do to infrared radiation? It blocks it.

Soooo..... what was the CO2 concentration in that tube?

At the beginning of the experiment, it was exactly the same as everywhere in the atmosphere : the said-to-be 'dangerous' current CO2 concentration that is supposed to be nearing the tipping point of no return. Yet nothing was blocked, the picture was perfect.

This is the kind of idiotic experiment that a lot of unthinking people are taken in by.

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Reply #83 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:51am

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Rubbish.

Firstly, where does the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Secondly, what does CO2 do to infrared radiation? It blocks it.

Soooo..... what was the CO2 concentration in that tube?

Assuming that the tube is 100% CO₂ and its pressure is atmospheric, there are still fewer CO₂ molecules in that tube than would exist in a column of air from the ground to space. Considering that you've demonstrated a lack of knowledge on the topic and have resorted to the personal incredulity fallacy, I do not expect you to understand why this is important.

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At the beginning of the experiment, it was exactly the same as everywhere in the atmosphere : the said-to-be 'dangerous' current CO2 concentration that is supposed to be nearing the tipping point of no return. Yet nothing was blocked, the picture was perfect.

This is the kind of idiotic experiment that a lot of unthinking people are taken in by.

That is fallacious reasoning.

Your logical fallacy is personal incredulity

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Because you found something difficult to understand, or are unaware of how it works, you made out like it's probably not true.

Complex subjects like biological evolution through natural selection require some amount of understanding before one is able to make an informed judgement about the subject at hand; this fallacy is usually used in place of that understanding.

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Reply #84 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:55am

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Rubbish.

Firstly, where does the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Soooo..... what was the CO2 concentration in that tube?

At the beginning of the experiment, it was exactly the same as everywhere in the atmosphere : the said-to-be 'dangerous' current CO2 concentration that is supposed to be nearing the tipping point of no return. Yet nothing was blocked, the picture was perfect.

This is the kind of idiotic experiment that a lot of unthinking people are taken in by.

You have not answered the highlighted question.

Where did the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

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Reply #85 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 11:21am

People that can see the continued rise in temperature cannot be called “alarmists” because they are pointing to something real. Satellites observe more solar radiation entering earths atmosphere than heat leaves it. The arctic, Greenland and even the Antarctic are all losing ice every summer.

“Deniers” want to deny observable increases in temperature have happened or claim they don’t mean anything more than variation “as has happened before” and quote Medieval Warm Period even though present temperatures are well above the MWP. So it is deniers not skeptics.

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Reply #86 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 11:22am

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Soren wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:59am:

Bam wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 9:25pm:

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

Rubbish.

Firstly, where does the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Soooo..... what was the CO2 concentration in that tube?

At the beginning of the experiment, it was exactly the same as everywhere in the atmosphere : the said-to-be 'dangerous' current CO2 concentration that is supposed to be nearing the tipping point of no return. Yet nothing was blocked, the picture was perfect.

This is the kind of idiotic experiment that a lot of unthinking people are taken in by.

You have not answered the highlighted question.

Where did the 100ppm increase since 1850 in CO2 in the atmosphere come from?

Perhaps from out-gassing from the oceans as the Little Ice Age ended??

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Reply #87 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 11:26am

And is it still outgassing?

Nah—industrial production, population growth, the use of cars and trucks etc is causing the increase in CO2, methane, nitrous oxide etc.

Now we are getting outgassing—melting methane clathrates in the Arctic ocean as the tundra melts. Methane can be seen bubbling up—time for bullcrapping is over, it is time, high time to do something!

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Reply #89 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 11:39am

Soren wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

AGW boosters should not be in government.
There is no evidence for climate change being man-caused. There is only conjecture. CO2 being a greenhouse gas does not mean that humans cause climate change.

How do you explan heat trapping cities that effect the local climate

Human caused deforestation which effects climate

Humans can and do effect the climate.

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