I see this claim made by Muslims on a regular basis:

freediver wrote on Feb 16^th, 2014 at 9:15am:


The only evidence I have found is that Muhammed himself was the torturer:

Kinana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, translated as, The Life of Muhammad, (tr. A. Guillaume), Karachi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 515.)

(That night, Muhammed and the man's widow fell madly in love and spent the night together in Muhammed's tent)

In response to Muhammed's favourite child bride being accused of adultery:

Ishaq:496      "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'"

Sahih Muslim Book 016, Hadith Number 4131.
Anas reported: Eight men of the tribe of 'Ukl came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and swore allegiance to him on Islam, but found the climate of that land uncongenial to their health and thus they became sick, and they made complaint of that to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: Why don't you go to (the fold) of our camels along with our shepherd, and make use of their milk and urine. They said: Yes. They set out and drank their (camels') milk and urine and regained their health. They killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. This (news) reached Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and he sent them on their track and they were caught and brought to him (the Holy Prophet). He commanded about them, and (thus) their hands and feet were cut off and their eyes were gouged and then they were thrown in the sun, until they died.
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Ibn al-Sabbah with a slight variation of words.

Quran 5:33
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides.

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 436
“…they brought them along and questioned them while the apostle was standing praying… The people were dismayed at their report…and so they beat them. When they were beaten soundly..."

Abu Dawud 38:4474
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Azhar:
I saw the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) on the morning of the conquest of Mecca when I was a young boy. He was walking among the people, seeking the camp of Khalid ibn al-Walid. A man who had drunk wine was brought (before him) and he ordered them (to beat him). So they beat him with what they had in their hands. Some struck him with whips, some with sticks and some with sandals. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) threw some dust on his face.
When a man who had drunk wine was brought before AbuBakr, he asked them (i.e. the people) about the number of beatings which they gave him. They numbered it forty. So AbuBakr gave him forty lashes.

http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jesus_or_muhammad.htm

Jesus healed the lame so they could walk:

Matthew 21:14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

Muhammad brought lameness to the walking:

Bukhari V4 B52 #261 "...they were brought, and he had their hands and feet cut off."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fbXvq_ZIbw

Jesus brought sight to the blind:

Matthew 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them [those that were] lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:

Muhammad brought blindness to the seeing:

Bukhari V4 B52 #261 "Then he ordered for nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in the Harra (i.e. rocky land in Medina)."

Jesus was crucified:

Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
http://www.islamandthetruth.com/psalms_22.htm

Muhammad crucified:

Quran 7:124 "Surely I shall have your hands and feet cut off upon alternate sides. Then I shall crucify you every one."

Jesus brought the dead back to life:

John 12:17 The people therefore that was with him when he called Lazarus out of his grave, and raised him from the dead, bare record.

Mohammed mass murdered the living:

Qur'an Surah 33:26 Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book. He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before. And Allah has power over all things.
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/jihad_islamic_terrorism.htm

freediver wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2014 at 10:50am:


FD keeps worrying about 800 jews, but turns a blind eye to the thousands of muslims killed, tortured and beaten by the jews and Christians in Arabia because they weren't like them.

Muslims weren't even safe in a mosque, the non muslims would come from behind them and stab them as they were praying.

And lets not forget the sanctions and economic boycott the jews and christinas put on the muslims in arabia, leaving there fellow humans there to die of hunger and starvation.

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 9:56am:

No source at all?

Kinana b. al-Rabi`, who had the custody of the treasure of B. al-Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill you?" he said Yes. The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b. al-`Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, translated as, The Life of Muhammad, (tr. A. Guillaume), Karachi: Oxford University Press, 1998, p. 515.)

From your link:

    Having left Medina and settled at Khaibar, the Banu Nadir started hatching a wide-spread conspiracy against Islam. Their leaders, Sallam Ibn Abi-al Huqauaiq, Huyayy Ibn Akhtab, Kinana al-Rabi and others came to Mecca, met the Quraish and told them that Islam could be destroyed." (Allama Shibli Nu'Mani, Sirat-Un-Nabi, volume II, p 106)

     This goes to show that Kinana was a war criminal. Let's read on...

I barely got into it, and already I was offered the standard spiel of the scheming Jews hatching a conspiracy against peace-loving Muhammed and that this constitutes war crimes (and therefor he presumably deserved what he got).

Don't you think it is a bit hypocritical to defend Muhammed's slaughter of 800 Jewish POWs in one day, but then use accusations against Jews of conspiracy as the basis of the charge of war crimes? Or does it all make sense because the scheming Jews all got what they deserved?

So you go with the more "authoritative" expert - a website that explains that the guy Muhammed didn't torture is a war criminal and a scheming Jew from a tribe of scheming Jews, and who admits that Muhammed ordered his death, merely for different reasons?

And the coup de grâce:

As Ibn Ishaq does not mention the name of any narrator whatsoever in this case, there is every likelihood of the story of having been passed on by the Jews.

Some other funny bits from your article:

Indeed Islam teaches us that treatment of the prisoners of war is a must.

Did he deliberately leave something out here?

That a man should be tortured with burns on his chest by the sparks of a flint is too heinous a deed for a Prophet (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) who had earned for himself the title of Rahma'lil Alamin (Mercy for all the worlds).

Too heinous for a man who executed 800 Jewish POWs in one day? Sound logic there...

As counter evidence, your article includes this passage of Muhammed killing another Jew for hiding Jew gold:

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:

The Prophet fought with the people of Khaybar, and captured their palm-trees and land, and forced them to remain confined to their fortresses. So they concluded a treaty of peace providing that gold, silver and weapons would go to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and whatever they took away on their camels would belong to them, on condition that they would not hide and carry away anything. If they did (so), there would be no protection for them and no treaty (with Muslims).

They carried away a purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab who was killed before (the battle of) Khaybar. He took away the ornaments of Banu an-Nadir when they were expelled.

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) asked Sa'yah: Where is the purse of Huyayy ibn Akhtab?

He replied: The contents of this purse were spent on battles and other expenses. (Later on) they found the purse. So he killed Ibn AbulHuqayq, captured their women and children, and intended to deport them. They said: Muhammad, leave us to work on this land; we shall have half (of the produce) as you wish, and you will have half. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to make a contribution of eighty wasqs of dates and twenty wasqs of wheat to each of his wives. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 3000)

and on it goes:

So the main reason for the killing of Kinana (putting aside the fact that he was already guilty of murder) was not merely over money. Rather, it was due to him becoming a war combatant after breaking a peace treaty. His concealment of the money violated the peace treaty, which then led to his death. It's not like the Muslims just went around confiscating people's money for no reason. Shamoun is making it out to be that Muslims were just greedy for money and would kill anyone that stood in their way, while that is not the case at all.

This one is interesting:

Furthermore, in Islam we wouldn't reject Jewish testimony just for the mere fact that they are Jewish. Two examples would suffice to prove this point:

According to Abu, Islam does exactly that - it discounts the testimony of non-Muslims on the grounds that they are inherently untrustworthy, because they are not Muslims.

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Do you mean Muslim scholars?

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All the other ones in the opening post seem pretty rough, but I suppose you could argue that it was not torture in the sense that it was not methodical and goal oriented.

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This is what I meant to say: According to Abu, Islam does exactly that - it discounts the testimony of non-Muslims on the grounds that they are inherently untrustworthy, because they are not Muslims.

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Does the first one in the OP of this thread count?

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 9:39pm:


The two terms will remain oxymoronic, or mutually exclusive, until such time as "Islamic scholars" can present historical and archaeological evidence that demonstrates that Mecca existed before the 4th century AD, in support of Islamic so-called "tradition" that was all created and put to the pen in the 7th - 10th centuries AD.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1388067196