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Reply #15 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:32pm
 
Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
I know what I'd LIKE to see him dragged out to...

It involves a wall, a blindfold, and a free cigarette (paid for by 'the taxpayer' of course).


That's the way, come the revolution first up against the wall eh?

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Reply #16 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm
 
Datalife wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:32pm:
Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 8:30pm:
I know what I'd LIKE to see him dragged out to...

It involves a wall, a blindfold, and a free cigarette (paid for by 'the taxpayer' of course).


That's the way, come the revolution first up against the wall eh?

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Actually no.

He'd have been there too, preferably.

I dislike Communism as much as I dislike Fascism.

So there goes THAT misconception...

Get a new horse (and maybe a functional brain, while you're at it).
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Re: Abbott abandons farmers
Reply #17 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:41pm
 
Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
So there goes THAT misconception...

Get a new horse.


Doofus I was not talking so much about the political philosophy as your own solution to political opposition,  political power from the end of a gun eh?

Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it.

Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power.

That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall.

Speaks volumes.   Cool
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Reply #18 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:02pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 7:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm:



Plenty there to start off with, short term assisstance now is what is needed.

Didn't see you as a supporter of "i need free money to stay in business" sort of person.

Nice hysteria by the way, made you sound rully mad.... Angry Angry

Roll Eyes


What will cost more? Subsidising farms or the death of farming in Australia?

by the way, I wasn't trying to sound rully mad Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #19 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:03pm
 
chicken_lipsforme wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 7:16pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm:


Don't you like farmers?


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Reply #20 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:10pm
 
Datalife wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
So there goes THAT misconception...

Get a new horse.


Nahhh I like this one, political power from the end of a gun eh?

Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it.

Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power.

That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall.

Speaks volumes.   Cool


Hey Dataless... how come you keep trying to take this off-track..?

Love Abbott do you?
Another clueless kid who believes whatever they are told...   Roll Eyes Grin

The brother has been seen and heard saying the most archaic things... did you hear that the Head of the IMF  indicated ..that .. it would be a big mistake for Abbott to put climate change on the backburner, and take Australia from being among the pioneers.. back to a nation in some moronic denial..

I'd have to agree, seeing as the carbon tax  ( oooh  evil!!)  has reaped $8 BILLION dollars this fin yr..for US .. you know  you and me.. tax WE don't have to pay......
  in a time of much spruiked decrease in mining..!!
NO ..it is so wrong.. so digressive..
He wants to abolish it...  and make the poor pay ..
to achieve a totally unnecessary national CREDIT..???
What country in the world would savage its citizens for profit on this basis  ..??
Australia... 
and sadly the people were sold a whole pile of  HOCKEY-poo.

A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE.. 

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Reply #21 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:13pm
 
Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:10pm:
did you hear that the Head of the IMF  indicated ..that .. it would be a big mistake for Abbott to put climate change on the backburner, and take Australia from being among the pioneers.. back to a nation in some moronic denial..



she'll be on Q & A on Thursday night... it will make for some interesting viewing
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Reply #22 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:21pm
 
Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:10pm:
A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE.. 



Off track you say?  hehehe  I was actually responding to Kats post, putting Abbott up against a wall and shooting him.  It follows up peccerheads assertion that all coalition voters should die a slow and painful death.

Luvvies are making clowns of themselves with their hatred. 

Talk about the darkside...

It would be amusing but I reckon some of you characters are actually serious. 
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Reply #23 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:21pm
 
The issue of whether farmers should or should not, get support from the Australian Tax Payer, basically comes back to whether their situation is a temporary problem or is it more permanent!

If the issues were temporary and a temporary Tax Payer assistance would assist to rectify those short term issues & turn things around again, then we should agree to that short term help.

However, if the issues are long term & Tax Payer assistance would simply be throwing good money at a permanently bad situation, then I would suggest the answer should be no!

In looking at this particular set of circumstances, we will need to review the areas involved and get feedback from the Climate Change experts, to assess which areas may now be heading for a permanent climate change.

As is often commented, Australia is a place that is recognized as being subject to Droughts, Floods & more, But it is apparent that those situations are becoming more serious & lasting longer.

A quick look around the world will confirm that, with the UK suffering the worst storms & floods in centuries, whilst California is suffering the worst drought in centuries & little  Perth in WA is also suffering a long 40 year slide in rainfall and water is quickly becoming a problem.

The thing is, if certain areas that are identified as likely to become long term Climate Change Drought areas, then I'm afraid they will have to be cut from the Public Teat, as we would only be throwing good money, after bad.
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Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2014 at 11:10pm
 
Now let me understand this. Holden, Toyota and SPC say they're going to shut down and sack thousands of workers who as a consequence are looking at the very real possibility of losing their homes, financial ruin and a lifetime of denying their children. And instead of visiting the workers losing their jobs Abbott took the opportunity to attack them and generally talk down worker's pay and conditions for the benefit of who? Toyota, who recently forecast a $24 billion profit for this financial year.  But when the socialist hating AGW denying farmers are begging, YET AGAIN, for another socialist handout to counteract the effects of global warming and overstocking we all jump right on queue like brainwashed North Korean automatons worrying whether Abbott's tour of the drought affected farms and the farmers is sufficiently caring.  And then what happens. First Abbott insists that he won't give the farmers any more handouts or subsidies and then announces a handout package for the farmers under another name that he calls "a drought-assistance package".

Look, I'm not against helping these people but the double standards that Abbott is applying for his coalition supporters is absolutely palpable.  And like trusting sheep when the govt says it's not giving handouts and then under our very eyes goes ahead and gives handouts we accept that the govt is not giving handouts. Are we really that docile now.   

Here's some quotes from the article

"The Government has refused to provide any public breakdown on the size or cost of the package, but confirmed loan support and income support will form part of it".

So a former Holden worker whose going to lose his home, he wont be getting loan support. And what is income support? Is it the same as the dole or more then the dole or in addition to the dole?


"The Government has got to be prepared to step in and assist. That is what we will be finalising in the next few days," he said.

I dont recall him saying that when it was worker livelihoods on the line. Quite the opposite. 


"Mr Joyce said he would not go into details about possible assistance. "There's a very short-term problem and then there's a slightly longer-term problem," Mr Joyce said.

"There's the immediate income needs that people have got to live, and then there's the reconstruction after the drought for people who have been very badly damaged.

"The package that we announce will deal with both of these issues.
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Well, clearly, for someone whose constituents are not getting a handout Mr Joyce is a very happy man


"Mr Abbott says disaster relief payments are set to start on March 1. Mr Abbott says he will announce a drought-assistance package in the next week".

Well that was quick. No wringing of hands on this one.  They came straight to the party. And I love this next quote from BJ. This is a man who (for good reason it seems) is supremely confident that he can tell us that black is white and white is black and that we will believe him


"They don't want handouts, they don't want welfare, they want to be able to get on with the job, they don't want government to run their businesses."

Sorry???? It's handouts and its welfare.What else is it???? And of course the workers at Holden, SPC and Toyota etc, well they just wanted handouts and welfare, and they diodnt want to be able to get on with the job.
I'll shed a tear for farmers when the govts of this country start treating workers fairly and with the same amount of respect and regard that they do the other sectors of the economy. 

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Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:22am
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm:


No,  isn't. You're just clearly biased. Abbott is 100% right to not offer long-term assistance. People can become too reliant on it and not prepare themselves for tough times only to be disappointed when they get less than expected assistance. By all means, help them in the short term so they don't have to sell up and move out, but once they're back on their feet, further assistance is just a waste of taxpayer funds.
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Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:36am
 
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 11:10pm:
Now let me understand this. Holden, Toyota and SPC say they're going to shut down and sack thousands of workers who as a consequence are looking at the very real possibility of losing their homes, financial ruin and a lifetime of denying their children. And instead of visiting the workers losing their jobs Abbott took the opportunity to attack them and generally talk down worker's pay and conditions for the benefit of who? Toyota, who recently forecast a $24 billion profit for this financial year.  But when the socialist hating AGW denying farmers are begging, YET AGAIN, for another socialist handout to counteract the effects of global warming and overstocking we all jump right on queue like brainwashed North Korean automatons worrying whether Abbott's tour of the drought affected farms and the farmers is sufficiently caring.  And then what happens. First Abbott insists that he won't give the farmers any more handouts or subsidies and then announces a handout package for the farmers under another name that he calls "a drought-assistance package".

Look, I'm not against helping these people but the double standards that Abbott is applying for his coalition supporters is absolutely palpable.  And like trusting sheep when the govt says it's not giving handouts and then under our very eyes goes ahead and gives handouts we accept that the govt is not giving handouts. Are we really that docile now.   

Here's some quotes from the article

"The Government has refused to provide any public breakdown on the size or cost of the package, but confirmed loan support and income support will form part of it".

So a former Holden worker whose going to lose his home, he wont be getting loan support. And what is income support? Is it the same as the dole or more then the dole or in addition to the dole?


"The Government has got to be prepared to step in and assist. That is what we will be finalising in the next few days," he said.

I dont recall him saying that when it was worker livelihoods on the line. Quite the opposite. 


"Mr Joyce said he would not go into details about possible assistance. "There's a very short-term problem and then there's a slightly longer-term problem," Mr Joyce said.

"There's the immediate income needs that people have got to live, and then there's the reconstruction after the drought for people who have been very badly damaged.

"The package that we announce will deal with both of these issues.
"

Well, clearly, for someone whose constituents are not getting a handout Mr Joyce is a very happy man


"Mr Abbott says disaster relief payments are set to start on March 1. Mr Abbott says he will announce a drought-assistance package in the next week".

Well that was quick. No wringing of hands on this one.  They came straight to the party. And I love this next quote from BJ. This is a man who (for good reason it seems) is supremely confident that he can tell us that black is white and white is black and that we will believe him


"They don't want handouts, they don't want welfare, they want to be able to get on with the job, they don't want government to run their businesses."

Sorry???? It's handouts and its welfare.What else is it???? And of course the workers at Holden, SPC and Toyota etc, well they just wanted handouts and welfare, and they diodnt want to be able to get on with the job.
I'll shed a tear for farmers when the govts of this country start treating workers fairly and with the same amount of respect and regard that they do the other sectors of the economy. 



There is a world of difference between the situations faced by farmers and car manufacturing workers. First of all, farmers are essential to the economy - they feed us, dress us, etc. Without an agricultural sector that is strong, we'd be importing just about everything. As for car manufacturing, we can get by without a new car in most circumstances (our current car will suffice) and car manufacturing isn't essential to the wellbeing and prosperity of this country. Farmers don't need handouts - they're receiving interest free and low interest loans that will be paid back, so it's not a case of throwing good money after bad. But I expect you to pathetically deny and/or ignore all of what I just said simply because you don't like Abbott or Hockey or Joyce.
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Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:27am
 
Datalife wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:41pm:
Kat wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 9:34pm:
So there goes THAT misconception...

Get a new horse.


Doofus I was not talking so much about the political philosophy as your own solution to political opposition,  political power from the end of a gun eh?

Shooting oppositions is a tried and proven luvvie technique and you are an advocate of it.

Me, I prefer the poll process and the loser gracefully conceding, the winner saying some nice words and an orderly and peaceful transition to power.

That's why the world is beating down our doors to get here, but you prefer the cigarette and up against the wall.

Speaks volumes.   Cool



Yes. It speaks volumes about how bad this 'government' actually is, as I seem
to be hearing similar comments quite frequently these days.
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 6:30am
 
Datalife wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:21pm:
Emma wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 10:10pm:
A joke .. the man is.. a BAD  JOKE.. 



Off track you say?  hehehe  I was actually responding to Kats post, putting Abbott up against a wall and shooting him.  It follows up peccerheads assertion that all coalition voters should die a slow and painful death.

Luvvies are making clowns of themselves with their hatred. 

Talk about the darkside...

It would be amusing but I reckon some of you characters are actually serious. 


Don't blame us, we didn't vote for them.

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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:26am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 4:22am:
John Smith wrote on Feb 17th, 2014 at 6:56pm:


No,  isn't. You're just clearly biased. Abbott is 100% right to not offer long-term assistance. People can become too reliant on it and not prepare themselves for tough times only to be disappointed when they get less than expected assistance. By all means, help them in the short term so they don't have to sell up and move out, but once they're back on their feet, further assistance is just a waste of taxpayer funds.


And you're not biased?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Abbott shouldn't rule anything out ... if the farmers are still in drought in 2 yrs time is he just going to let them all go belly up?
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