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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #105 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:40pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:40pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 4:30pm:
It keeps coming up but.


Exactly. Mo's sex slaves are a huge issue in Palestine right now. Everybody's talking about it.

But will your Muselman acknowledge this? Not on your life.

Google: Taqiyya.

Don't you pay any attention to G's evasion, FD. You should make him answer your question or throw him off the board.

Personally, I find this Muslim censorship nonsense completely out of step with our enlightened Western values. It makes my blood boil, it really does.

They should all be banned.




What a fountain-head of 'liberalism' you are Karnal!!         Tongue

NOT!



Dictionary;
liberal = =
1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas.        favourable to individual rights and freedoms.        regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2 favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.
3 concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience.
4 broadly construed; not strictly literal.
5 given, used, or giving in generous amounts.



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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #106 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm
 
Karnal,

What i have proposed to ban, in Australia, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our laws].

I do not wish to ban people from being able to express their opinions.






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I do not wish to ban people from being able to express their opinions - unless such expressed views, include an incitement to murder or lawlessness.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #107 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm:
Karnal,

What i have proposed to ban, in Australia, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our laws].

I do not wish to ban people from expression their opinions.




Even if they say we should behead all those who insult the Prophet?

That's a bit harsh.

Dictionary;
liberal = =
1 respectful and accepting of behaviour or opinions different from one’s own; open to new ideas.        favourable to individual rights and freedoms.        regarding many traditional beliefs as dispensable, invalidated by modern thought, or liable to change.
2 favouring individual liberty, free trade, and moderate political and social reform.
3 concerned with broadening general knowledge and experience.
4 broadly construed; not strictly literal.
5 given, used, or giving in generous amounts.
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Reply #108 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm:
Karnal,

What i have proposed to ban, in Australia, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our laws].

I do not wish to ban people from expression their opinions.




Even if they say we should behead all those who insult the Prophet?

That's a bit harsh.





K,

So what you are plainly saying - is that you do support freedom of expression - which would include incitement to commit murder.




You know, K, you pretend to be a 'jester' on this forum.

But what i am reading - are your words.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #109 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:02pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
K,

So what you are plainly saying - is that you do support freedom of expression - which would include incitement to commit murder.


Thats actually what FD says (referring to the beheading placards).
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #110 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:22pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:02pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
K,

So what you are plainly saying - is that you do support freedom of expression - which would include incitement to commit murder.


Thats actually what FD says (referring to the beheading placards).




And you present yourself on this public form, as a moslem, who does not endorse many of the principle tenets of ISLAM.

e.g.

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260iWhat did these moslems do wrong gandalf ?

What did these moslems do that was unlawful [according to ISLAM] gandalf ?

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February 5, 2008
70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh
....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #111 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:35pm
 
YADDA, Palestine is NOT a country only the INVADERS believe this. THE JEWS took it back. IF the JEWS are invaded again you can
FORGET
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Reply #112 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:37pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 6:22pm:
And you present yourself on this public form, as a moslem, who does not endorse many of the principle tenets of ISLAM.

e.g.

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260


Principle tenets of islam are found in the Quran, Y, not Bukhari.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #113 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 7:11pm
 
So killing apostates is not a "principle tenet", just something Muslims do?
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Reply #114 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:17pm
 
Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history ??? WT F Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #115 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:18pm
 
PALESTINE NEVER EXISTED
                                              
[ Editorial Note:  The following is text taken from the website Masada2000.org.  All persons seeking the historical facts concerning the illegitimate territorial claims of Arab Muslims of the Middle East against the Jews are urged to access this website.]

There is a preliminary historical fact that must be established; THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A CIVILIZATION OR NATION REFERRED TO AS “PALESTINE!”

The very notion of a “Palestinian Arab nation”, having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world!  There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct “Palestinian” culture or language.  Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed by Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964…three years BEFORE the Arabs of “Palestine” lost the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six Day’s War (which the Arabs started).  Even the so-called leader of the “Palestinian” people, Yasser Arafat, is Egyptian!  In short, the so-called Arab “Palestinians” are a manufactured people…a people with no history and no authority…whose sole purpose for existence is to destroy the Jewish State!      

Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C., two thousand years before the rise of Islam!  Seven hundred and twenty-six years later, in 586 B.C., these first ancient Jews in the land of Israel (Judea) were overrun and Israel’s First Jewish Temple (Solomon’s Temple) on Jerusalem’s Old City Temple Mount was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon.  Many of the Jews were killed, enslaved or expelled; however many were allowed to remain.  These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews, who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem on the same site as Solomon’s Temple.  Thus, the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago, right after the Holocaust, and drove out the Arabs is preposterous! 

Then, in 70 A.D.(nearly 2,000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire’s turn to march through ancient Israel, known at that time as Judea, and destroy the Second Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of the Jewish population.  The Romans, without success, had tried to impose their many deities on the Jews, but few Jews were willing to submit to the Roman demands regarding their worship, and were certainly unwilling to regard a Roman Emperor as a divine being.

After a succession of uprisings against Roman rule, in which over one and a half million Jews were killed, enslaved or driven out of their homeland, the then Roman Procurator in charge of the area decided to take even another measure in retaliation.  Calling his scribes, he asked the historians as to who had been the worst enemies of the Jews in past history.  He was told the “Philistines.”  Having this determination, he then ordered all maps altered to reflect that the Land of Israel (Judea) would be labeled “Philistia” (further bastardized into “Palaistina”) to dishonor the Jews and obliterate them, if only figuratively, from the map.  Hence, the name “Palestine” was invented, and entirely appropriate that this invented name of the Romans would be used by Muhammad’s invented religion of Islam, over 1,800 years later, when initiating its campaign to steal the Jewish homeland.

Over 3,250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel’s ancient capital established by King David.  The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews (Jews), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward neglected territory from the 16th Century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948.  None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own…EXCEPT the Jews!

It should be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arab marauders of Muhammad came to the land, and uprooted even more of the Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there…and certainly not a “Palestinian” nation.  They were simply “Arabs” who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called “Palestine!”  And, remember this one fact…it was not the Jews who “usurped” (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs.  It was the Arabs in 636 A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews!  A point:  The Dome of the Rock Mosque was constructed atop the ruins of the second Jewish Temple, and not vice-versa!   

The Jewish People have the most legitimate “Birth Certificate” of any nation in the world!  Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years.  The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts…all support this claim.  Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continuous presence in that land for over 3,000 years.  This predates and certainly dwarfs any claims that other people in the regions may have.   

IN CONCLUSION:  No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948, with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #116 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 7:11pm:
So killing apostates is not a "principle tenet", just something Muslims do?


Thats correct FD.
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Reply #117 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:30pm
 
Do they tell this to people just before they chop their heads off? It might offer some reassurance.
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Reply #118 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:50pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 5:46pm:
Karnal,

What i have proposed to ban, in Australia, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our laws].

I do not wish to ban people from expression their opinions.




Even if they say we should behead all those who insult the Prophet?

That's a bit harsh.





K,

So what you are plainly saying - is that you do support freedom of expression - which would include incitement to commit murder.




You know, K, you pretend to be a 'jester' on this forum.

But what i am reading - are your words.



No no, Y, I support the freedom of Gud’s chosen people to slay gentiles, take them as slaves and offer their foreskins to the god of Israel.

It is the Word of Gud, no?

Allah Uakbar.
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Reply #119 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 8:58pm
 
Gud is great!
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