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Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:08am
 

Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
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Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? :


1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What language did the Palestinians speak?
3. What writing [script] did they use?
4. What manuscripts did they leave?
5. What was their religion?
6. Where are their temples?
7. What monuments attest to their existence?
8. What were its borders?
9. What was the name of its capital?
10. What were its major cities?
11. What constituted the basis of its economy?
12. What was the name of the currency that they used?
13. What was its form of government?
14. What achievements have they accomplished?
15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?
16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?
17. What archaeological sites can one name?
18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?
19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?
20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?
21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?
23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?


Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?


Those Q's  [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M



TRUTH

Part 072 - Promised Land in the Quran
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JTl4Yx1VmE

Part 146A - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXhKv3mmkc

Part 146B - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XvyJrczJ-4

Part 146C - Two States - Israel and Palestine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sYmb6Qml2Y



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Here are a full listing of YOUTUBE audio files, which challenge ISLAM, Mohammed's prophet-hood, and the virtue of Allah/moslems;
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:29am
 

MP calls for Israeli sanctions over Gaza injustice

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392025259/57#57
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Are Israelis occupying 'Palestinian' lands???


No.

1/ Historically (WWI),
2/ legally and,
3/ by applying ISLAM's own standards,
...the Israelis [the Jewish people] have an absolute right to the land which they have secured.
Why so???
#1,
War has always been regarded as a huge 'reset button' on property rights.
And prior to WWI, the land which constitutes present day Israel, was not, and never was owned, possessed, or administered under the authority of local 'Palestinians'.
Turkey [the Ottoman empire] 'inherited' the Jewish homeland, which was 'acquired' [by moslems] through warfare / Jihad in the region [in the 600's AD].

see, ISLAM 101
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html



Turkey eventually lawfully lost control over its administered territories in the region, as a consequence of its participation in WWI.
And, those territories also included that land which was previously the ancient Jewish homeland, the land area today known as Israel.

Post WWI, the world powers of that time decided to carve up, as they saw fit, those territories previously administered by Turkey.
And the world powers of that time determined to set aside an area of those territories, a small fraction of those territories, as a national Jewish homeland.
These actions, by world powers, post WWI were lawful.


The Israelis have an absolute right to the land they have secured.
#2,
Moslems themselves declare [and ISLAMIC doctrine confirms] that all non-moslem lands secured by warfare for ISLAM, lawfully belongs to moslems.
And while some may accuse Israel of occupying 'Palestinian' lands, by applying ISLAM's own standards and law, Israel today has legally acquired and defended [what once was] the ancient homeland, of Israel.
Since the war of 1967, a war which Israel did not instigate, Israel has a moral right to all of the land they secured.
And please note that all of 'Israel's wars' in the region, have all been defensive, and were not instigated by Israel.


The 'Palestinian' refugees ?

And as moses pointed out;
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1392025259/43#43
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......The truth is muslims caused the Palestinian refugee problem, why don't those muslims (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq) who caused the problem, take the refugees?.......


But those nations wont do that.

Because a solution to the 'Palestinian refugee problem' which leaves the state of Israel in place, is not acceptable to any ISLAMIST - which all moslems are.






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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:46am
 
As mentioned in another thread, there is only one name given to that land by God, as also confirmed in the New Testament. Thus it is the only name that is appropriate for Christians to use.

Matthew 2:20 Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life. 21 And he arose, and took the young child and his mother, and came into the land of Israel.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

The term "Palestine" was an invention of 2nd century Roman Emperor Hadrian, in efforts to insult Jews he had vanquished, and erase the name Israel from the map.
http://www.levitt.com/newsletters/1997-12.html#SPECIAL

The Philistines, immigrant Boat People who had inhabited a narrow strip of the coastline of Canaan, vanished thousands of years ago. The term "Palestine" serves as a smokescreen - from straight out of the pit of hell and the lips of a Roman pagan who built a temple to the goddess Venus and one on the temple mount dedicated to Jupiter - to mask the identities of the parties in conflict. The actual parties in conflict is made apparent by a poll of non-Muslim Arabs:

Wikipedia article:  "In contrast, a poll of 507 Arab-Israelis conducted by the Israeli Democracy Institute in 2007 found that 75 percent profess support for Israel's status as a Jewish and democratic state which guarantees equal rights for minorities. Israeli Arab support for a constitution in general was 88 percent.[31]"
http://www.zionismchristian.com/palestine_palestinians.htm#israeli_non_muslim_ar...

But then should anybody be surprised that non-Muslims would not desire to live in just another sharia law ruled, multiple concubine and wife beating, child doing, first-cousin marrying, Christian and Jew murdering, Islamic slave state?
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com/islamic_slavery_dhimmitude.htm

The mainstream media would have us believe it is the "Palestinians" VS Jews, when in fact the two sides in conflict are:

Israeli Muslims desiring to create just another Islamic slave state
VS
The democracy of the:
Faithful Israeli Jews
Secular Israeli Jews
Israeli Christians
Israeli secular Arabs


The conflict is between the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of the democracy of the Israeli Jewish State, VS the totalitarian aggression, oppression, slavery and dhimmitude of an Islamic slave state. Freedom, liberty and the right to self-determination of course being the very antitheses of Islam.
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Re: Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am
 
I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.
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Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:

I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.




wally1,

The difference between you, and, myself;

I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way.


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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:

I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.




wally1,

The difference between you, and, myself;

I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way.




You walking around jewish areas is provocative yadda.

Numerous youtube clips I have seen of jews threatening to kill non jews, telling jesus to f off, cursing jesus is abundant.
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Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:00am
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:

I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.




wally1,

The difference between you, and, myself;

I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way.




You walking around jewish areas is provocative yadda.

Numerous youtube clips I have seen of jews threatening to kill non jews, telling jesus to f off, cursing jesus is abundant.




wally1,

Orthodox Jews, in Israel, would not harm me.

My presence has a calming effect on people wally1.

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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:00am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:

I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.




wally1,

The difference between you, and, myself;

I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way.




You walking around jewish areas is provocative yadda.

Numerous youtube clips I have seen of jews threatening to kill non jews, telling jesus to f off, cursing jesus is abundant.




wally1,

Orthodox Jews, in Israel, would not harm me.

My presence has a calming effect on people wally1.

Roll Eyes





wally1,

I have a rudimentary knowledge of Torah.

I would show an Orthodox Jew that in their law, in Torah, it would be unlawful, and it would be an act of disobedience to God, for an Orthodox Jewish person to harm me.

And then, i would submit myself to either their affection, or, harm.



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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:59pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am:
I would show an Orthodox Jew that in their law, in Torah, it would be unlawful, and it would be an act of disobedience to God, for an Orthodox Jewish person to harm me.


So were they breaking the law by committing genocide and killing babies or no?
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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 11:24pm:
Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 1:59pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 12:59pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am:
I would show an Orthodox Jew that in their law, in Torah, it would be unlawful, and it would be an act of disobedience to God, for an Orthodox Jewish person to harm me.


So were they breaking the law by committing genocide and killing babies or no?






Jeremiah 18:1
The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2  Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3  Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4  And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5  Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6  O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7  At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8  If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9  And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10  If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.


Stratos,

We are the clay [the earthen] vessels, made by God.

If [for a worthy reason] God chooses to destroy the clay vessels which he made, is God unjust ?




Stratos,

If there is a God, and if we are his creation, do you, or any other man, have the authority or right, to judge God's actions ?


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Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:17am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 11:00am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:54am:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:45am:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:37am:

I want you Christians to go walk in Israeli jewish areas wearing a cross around your chest and see what they do to you.




wally1,

The difference between you, and, myself;

I would NOT provoke Orthodox Jews, in their own homeland, in that way.




You walking around jewish areas is provocative yadda.

Numerous youtube clips I have seen of jews threatening to kill non jews, telling jesus to f off, cursing jesus is abundant.




wally1,

Orthodox Jews, in Israel, would not harm me.

My presence has a calming effect on people wally1.

Roll Eyes





wally1,

I have a rudimentary knowledge of Torah.

I would show an Orthodox Jew that in their law, in Torah, it would be unlawful, and it would be an act of disobedience to God, for an Orthodox Jewish person to harm me.

And then, i would submit myself to either their affection, or, harm.





You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do?
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Reply #11 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do?




I have eaten in the home of a moslem.



I have found moslems i have met, to be initially very, very courteous.

I have found moslems to very courteous, up to a point.

Up to the point of his cultures shame [shameful conduct].



THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Google;
islam, west, shame v guilt


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Reply #12 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:29pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do?




I have eaten in the home of a moslem.



I have found moslems i have met, to be initially very, very courteous.

I have found moslems to very courteous, up to a point.

Up to the point of his cultures shame [shameful conduct].



THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Google;
islam, west, shame v guilt




And he didn't kill you?

What a disobedient muslim.
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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:37pm
 
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:29pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do?




I have eaten in the home of a moslem.



I have found moslems i have met, to be initially very, very courteous.

I have found moslems to very courteous, up to a point.

Up to the point of his cultures shame [shameful conduct].



THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Google;
islam, west, shame v guilt




And he didn't kill you?

What a disobedient muslim.



Is that an expression of,       ....disappointment ?           Smiley

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #14 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:43pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:27pm:
wally1 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

You rave on about muslims killing jews and Christians, have you ever been to a muslim, confronted him to do what the verses tell him to do?




I have eaten in the home of a moslem.



I have found moslems i have met, to be initially very, very courteous.

I have found moslems to very courteous, up to a point.

Up to the point of his cultures shame [shameful conduct].



THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/



Google;
islam, west, shame v guilt




So you needed to Google islam, west, shame v guilt
to find your initially very, very courteous  hosts shameful.

Excellent research, Y.
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