The truth is muslims caused the Palestinian refugee problem

Lord Curzon in 1918 wrote:
The Zionist declaration of our Government has been followed by a very considerable immigration of Jews. One of the difficulties of the situation arises from the fact that the Zionists have taken full advantage - and are disposed to take even fuller advantage - of the opportunity which was then offered to them. You have only to read, as probably most of us do, their periodical 'Palestine', and, indeed, their pronouncements in the papers, to see that their programme is expanding from day to day. They now talk about a Jewish State. The Arab portion of the population is well-nigh forgotten and is to be ignored. They not only claim the boundaries of the old Palestine, but they claim to spread across the Jordan into the rich countries lying to the east, and, indeed, there seems to be very small limit to the aspirations which they now form. The Zionist programme, and the energy with which it is being carried out, have not unnaturally had the consequence of arousing the keen suspicions of the Arabs

Yadda wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:


Rubbish.

As usual you resort to treating me as a caricature so that you can completely ignore my actual arguments.

No one's perspective of this tragic conflict starts 5000 years ago in irrelevant history, it starts mere decades ago. The Hargana and Irgun troops who cleared Palestinian villages weren't thinking of some alleged divine promise made 5000 years ago (well some of them might have, but not many), they were thinking of practical mundane worldly considerations like controlling resources and removing a perceived threat.

Yadda wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 3:44pm:


The land belongs to the God of Israel, so that gives the jews the right to ethnically cleanse the non-jewish inhabitants right?

I don't know about your God Y, but the God I follow wouldn't sanction the violent eviction of people off their livelihoods and heritage - to become destitute refugees.

There is a significant sect of orthodox jews who oppose Israel for the exact same reason.

Orthodox jews in solidarity with the Palestinians:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Images/2011/9/b4015e93-c734-43e4-b6cf-851ef512bde4...

But please continue with your delusion that this is all just muslim propaganda.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2014 at 4:20pm:


That's right people. Muslims would never leave them destitute. They would leave all the adult men dead, and (out of pure generosity) take them women as sex slaves. .

Just because some tenants have had 'a long heritage on that land', does not equate with the tenants owning the land - because they have had 'a long heritage on that land'.

The land belongs to God.

The God of Israel.

Abu,

Moslem armies have attacked Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967 & 1973, trying to destroy the state of Israel.

On every occasion that they tried, they failed, miserably.

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Further, there is a concept in ISLAMIC culture, that nothing can happen in this world, except by Allah's will.

And moslems do actively promote such a concept, such a paradigm, within their own communities.

Ergo;
It should therefore, be clear to every moslem, that Allah does not want moslems to 'drive the Jews into the sea'.

Otherwise, 'logically', Allah would have brought that circumstance about, already, probably in 1948.

THEREFORE, tallowood's advice to moslems, in this OzPol forum;


'You [moslems] should submit to the will of your god and accept Israel's [existence] as your god's will.'



Abu,

As a good moslem, don't you believe, that moslems should accept the will of Allah ???

It is a fair question.

Notice how these debates work.

Yadda made a valiant attempt to sustain his claims about the exodus being a result of Arab encouragement. It lasted all of about 2 seconds before he went back into his comfort zone - muslims and taqqiya

Freediver jumped on this thread and didn't even bother to pay lip service to the actual debate, and launched straight into "a muslim said it, therefore it must be wrong" mode.

Neither of you have any sensible responses to the arguments I have made, you can only resort to ad-hominems, which I'm sure you are well aware is the oldest fallacy trick in the book.