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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa Reply #60 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 6:37pm Not me... but unlike most of you, I'm not going to LIE about him.
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Reply #61 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:25pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

You people have got to stop this bogus crap.... have a party in a phone booth or something... but leave the rest of us out of it.
2 major factors in Aluminium at the moment..... global oversupply... and the cost of electricity... major factor with the latter... THE CARBON TAX....
The industry is doing what it always does when there is oversupply... cut supply by closing smelters.

If this was the only closure announced in Abbott's term, it would be plausible. But with all the closures being announced all over the place, it is difficult to claim that Abbott's policies are not responsible for at least some of them.

He said that "Australia is open for business?" Oh, really? Can anyone name one single company that's announced the creation of 500 or more new jobs in Australia since Abbott became PM?

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Reply #62 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

You people have got to stop this bogus crap.... have a party in a phone booth or something... but leave the rest of us out of it.
2 major factors in Aluminium at the moment..... global oversupply... and the cost of electricity... major factor with the latter... THE CARBON TAX....
The industry is doing what it always does when there is oversupply... cut supply by closing smelters.

If this was the only closure announced in Abbott's term, it would be plausible. But with all the closures being announced all over the place, it is difficult to claim that Abbott's policies are not responsible for at least some of them.

He said that "Australia is open for business?" Oh, really? Can anyone name one single company that's announced the creation of 500 or more new jobs in Australia since Abbott became PM?

Oh puhlease.... this government have not done anything to cause a downturn in employment that wasn't already in train due to the previous government or outside global influences.

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Reply #63 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:21pm

FriYAY wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:06am:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:48am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:38am:

FriYAY wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:30am:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:21am:

The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.

You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.

OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.

Closed GM Holden, Closed Toyota and tried to close SPC ???

The writing was on the wall for Alcoa.

Can you show how Abbott "closed Holden".

Can you show how Abbott "closed Toyota".

Can you show how Abbott "tried to close SPC".

Can you show how Abbott "put the writting on the wall" at Alcoa.

Thanks.

Do you agree with continuous corporate welfare?

Most rational people understand that manufacturing has been on the way out in this country for years and no one government is to blame (especially one that has just come to power after 6 years of another government)

Here's a curious question for you: The government collects $1 billion a year in TARIFFS, that are meant to be used to help local car manufacturing.

If we were to divide the $1 billion by the amount of cars we produce, that's meant to be ~$9000 per car that we should have been subsidising the industry in 2013, and also this year.

I too don't agree in corporate welfare, but if we have a specific policy in place FOR corporate welfare, than why the hell wasn't it being used? By this government, previous governments, etc? Why was this money being redirected into general revenue, and instead we were being told by Hockey that we shouldn't be propping up "failed" industries?

I want the $1 billion returned to all the car companies, and the savings returned to consumers. It seems only fair.

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Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa
Reply #64 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:41pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 8:25pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 7:25pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:42pm:

You people have got to stop this bogus crap.... have a party in a phone booth or something... but leave the rest of us out of it.
2 major factors in Aluminium at the moment..... global oversupply... and the cost of electricity... major factor with the latter... THE CARBON TAX....
The industry is doing what it always does when there is oversupply... cut supply by closing smelters.

If this was the only closure announced in Abbott's term, it would be plausible. But with all the closures being announced all over the place, it is difficult to claim that Abbott's policies are not responsible for at least some of them.

He said that "Australia is open for business?" Oh, really? Can anyone name one single company that's announced the creation of 500 or more new jobs in Australia since Abbott became PM?

Oh puhlease.... this government have not done anything to cause a downturn in employment that wasn't already in train due to the previous government or outside global influences.

That's right. This government have not done anything. Trouble is, they should have been doing something to stop the bleeding of jobs.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa Reply #65 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:45pm Not really.... you do realise that companies have CEOs managers boards etc... and they are responsible for company decisions not Governments. Curious though... just what would you have done if you were the government... ?
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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa Reply #66 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:48pm I thought the Greens would be ecstatic with this carbon emitting smelter But they current Greens party are no longer about the environment but rather about tits flashing
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	More jobs to go Reply #67 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:04pm http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-18/aluminium-producer-alcoa-confirms-decision... Tony Abbott needs to go before the whole country ends up on the dole
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: More jobs to go Reply #68 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 3:06pm oops...just saw the existing thread...ignore this one unless your a neo con troll that wants sum practice
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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa Reply #69 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 10:27pm *The last 2 Posts were moved here from Politicians Suck* by perceptions_now.**
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Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa
Reply #70 - Feb 19^th, 2014 at 5:51am

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Not really.... you do realise that companies have CEOs managers boards etc... and they are responsible for company decisions not Governments.

Abbott explicitly promised to create one million jobs in five years. An empty promise, since projected population growth in a neutral economy would have created about 900,000 jobs anyway. If those jobs are created, he's going to claim the credit and the Coalition conga line will be joining in. To be fair, when jobs are lost instead - as is happening now - he has to wear the blame and not make excuses. You cannot have it both ways; you cannot claim the credit for the good and deflect the blame for the bad.

He would have been better off not making silly promises without a clear plan to fulfil that promise.

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Curious though... just what would you have done if you were the government... ? Roll Eyes

For a start, I would not have been making a promise of creating one million jobs in five years, then done nothing while jobs are lost.

What is his plan to create jobs?

Infrastructure? First thing he did on infrastructure was withdraw funding to all urban rail projects. Not a good start for someone who claims to be the "infrastructure Prime Minister".

Industry assistance? He cut that too - except for those companies that donated to the Coalition: mining industry (mining subsidies), fossil fuel industry (his silly untried "Direct Action" plan), Manildra (ethanol), Cadbury (Cadbury's parent company donated to the Coalition). Probity is not something the Coalition are good at.

Public service? He took an axe to those jobs too.

Cutting mining taxes? When the mining industry already pays very low taxes due to various subsidies? Not many jobs will be created there; the mines have already been built and will start production whether taxes are cut or not.

Cut carbon tax? That's a Coalition lie; there's no proof that this will create a single job, let alone create enough jobs to get to the one million mark in five years.

He has no plan for job creation. He talks about "better jobs" for retrenched workers in manufacturing. What are these jobs? Who knows? He won't say.

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