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Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:17am
 
Trashing Australia for years in oppostion and now driving the economy to a recession is costing even more jobs.

ALCOA will today announce the closure of its Point Henry aluminium smelter near Geelong, endangering 1200 jobs, senior sources have revealed.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/alcoa-set-to-close-aluminium-smelter-a...


Shame Abbott, Shame.


Abbott wants to be known as an infrastructure pm …. then start building centerlink offices.
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Reply #1 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am
 
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.
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Reply #2 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:28am
 
Keating was right:





That's what happens when an ape runs the country.
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Reply #3 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

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You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.
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Reply #5 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.

Your logical fallacy is ad hominem

Quote:
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.


to review Point Henry smelter at Anglesea






Thu 09 Feb 2012
By takver      
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Alcoa have announced a review of the future of Point Henry Smelter near Anglesea in a press release to the Australian Stock Exchange. The smelter at Point Henry has been operating for 49 years and employs about 600 people. Maybe the government subsidies that prop up an inefficient industrial plant need to be redirected into reskilling, retraining and relocating the 600 odd workers that face losing their jobs. This could provide the perfect opportunity for job creation in the renewable sector with the right range of government incentives. Sadly, the Baillieu track record on wind farms is beholden to the anti-wind farm lobby with Future wind power development in Victoria stifled by draconian planning regulations.

Alcoa also has an aluminium plant at Portland with newer technology which employs a similar number of people and is not under review.

"A combination of factors, including metal prices, input costs and exchange rates, have resulted in the Point Henry smelter becoming unprofitable," said Alan Cransberg, Alcoa of Australia Managing Director. "Together with our employees, we have worked hard to minimise costs and improve margins, but the current situation makes it difficult for Point Henry to be globally competitive in the foreseeable future. Our goal is for Point Henry to continue operating and meet its profitability targets. However one possible outcome of the review is that production at Point Henry may be curtailed. I know this is unsettling news that creates uncertainty for our employees and the many people that depend on the smelter for their livelihood. We will do all we can to ensure the smelter is competitive."

The aluminium rolling mill at Point Henry and Anglesea power station are not included in the review which aims to be completed by June 2012. Alan Cransberg said that the review into the Point Henry smelter had not been prompted by the price on carbon due to be introduced from July 1st 2012, but is primarily due to low metal prices, a high Australian dollar, and input costs. He said that the Point Henry smelter is already losing money and the carbon price would just add to that situation.

Alan Cransberg told the Age that the smelter had boosted productivity by 20 per cent in the past four years, but that this was still insufficient in reducing costs to make the plant competitive.

Watch as the Australian Workers Union pushes politicians from both sides to work out ways to increase inefficient subsidies to keep the plant open. "It should have been upgraded during the many, many good years. The company's lack of investment in Point Henry amounts to exploitation of the people of Victoria, and of Geelong in particular." said AWU Victorian Secretary Cesar Melhem. "To turn around now and consider cut-backs, or worse, is outrageous, particularly in the light of the assistance given the company over the years in terms of energy concessions."

"There should be urgent talks at the highest levels of government to prevent this major employer and exporter from doing a slash and burn without consideration for the workers and the state that has supported it." said Cesar Melhem. "Both Alcoa at Point Henry and Portland have been the subject of cost-cutting over recent years. However, at this time there is no question mark over the future of the Portland operation, simply because the company has invested in the latest technology there," he said.

If the smelter is already losing money with heavy subsidisation of carbon intensive coal fired electricity costs by the state Government, then maybe it is time for this energy intensive and inefficient smelter to close. The state Government in October 2011 renewed the Alcoa Anglesea Coal Mine 50 year lease extension despite community concern and opposition.

Closing the smelter would reduce the power requirements from the Anglesea power station which could easily transfer it's power generation to wind farms, and in the future, wave powered and geothermal energy production. The money saved from subsidising inefficient and carbon polluting industries could be directed to skills retraining and relocation for affected workers in the smelter and power station. But with the Baillieu government beholden to the anti-wind farm lobby with Future wind power development in Victoria stifled by draconian planni
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Re: Abbott Loses More Jobs ~ Alcoa
Reply #6 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.

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Reply #7 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:44am
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.



to review Point Henry smelter at Anglesea






Thu 09 Feb 2012
By takver      
Geelong
Alcoa
aluminium
Anglesea
electricity
subsidisation
 

Alcoa have announced a review of the future of Point Henry Smelter near Anglesea in a press release to the Australian Stock Exchange. The smelter at Point Henry has been operating for 49 years and employs about 600 people. Maybe the government subsidies that prop up an inefficient industrial plant need to be redirected into reskilling, retraining and relocating the 600 odd workers that face losing their jobs. This could provide the perfect opportunity for job creation in the renewable sector with the right range of government incentives. Sadly, the Baillieu track record on wind farms is beholden to the anti-wind farm lobby with Future wind power development in Victoria stifled by draconian planning regulations.

Alcoa also has an aluminium plant at Portland with newer technology which employs a similar number of people and is not under review.

"A combination of factors, including metal prices, input costs and exchange rates, have resulted in the Point Henry smelter becoming unprofitable," said Alan Cransberg, Alcoa of Australia Managing Director. "Together with our employees, we have worked hard to minimise costs and improve margins, but the current situation makes it difficult for Point Henry to be globally competitive in the foreseeable future. Our goal is for Point Henry to continue operating and meet its profitability targets. However one possible outcome of the review is that production at Point Henry may be curtailed. I know this is unsettling news that creates uncertainty for our employees and the many people that depend on the smelter for their livelihood. We will do all we can to ensure the smelter is competitive."

The aluminium rolling mill at Point Henry and Anglesea power station are not included in the review which aims to be completed by June 2012. Alan Cransberg said that the review into the Point Henry smelter had not been prompted by the price on carbon due to be introduced from July 1st 2012, but is primarily due to low metal prices, a high Australian dollar, and input costs. He said that the Point Henry smelter is already losing money and the carbon price would just add to that situation.

Alan Cransberg told the Age that the smelter had boosted productivity by 20 per cent in the past four years, but that this was still insufficient in reducing costs to make the plant competitive.

Watch as the Australian Workers Union pushes politicians from both sides to work out ways to increase inefficient subsidies to keep the plant open. "It should have been upgraded during the many, many good years. The company's lack of investment in Point Henry amounts to exploitation of the people of Victoria, and of Geelong in particular." said AWU Victorian Secretary Cesar Melhem. "To turn around now and consider cut-backs, or worse, is outrageous, particularly in the light of the assistance given the company over the years in terms of energy concessions."

"There should be urgent talks at the highest levels of government to prevent this major employer and exporter from doing a slash and burn without consideration for the workers and the state that has supported it." said Cesar Melhem. "Both Alcoa at Point Henry and Portland have been the subject of cost-cutting over recent years. However, at this time there is no question mark over the future of the Portland operation, simply because the company has invested in the latest technology there," he said.

If the smelter is already losing money with heavy subsidisation of carbon intensive coal fired electricity costs by the state Government, then maybe it is time for this energy intensive and inefficient smelter to close. The state Government in October 2011 renewed the Alcoa Anglesea Coal Mine 50 year lease extension despite community concern and opposition.

Closing the smelter would reduce the power requirements from the Anglesea power station which could easily transfer it's power generation to wind farms, and in the future, wave powered and geothermal energy production. The money saved from subsidising inefficient and carbon polluting industries could be directed to skills retraining and relocation for affected workers in the smelter and power station. But with the Baillieu government beholden to the anti-wind farm lobby with Future wind power development in Victoria stifled by draconian planning regulations, I doubt this is going to happen.

Sources:
•Alcoa press release, 8 February 2012 - Point Henry Review
•The Age, 8 February, 2012 - 600 jobs at risk as Alcoa battles soaring dollar
•Australian Workers Union News, 8 February 2012 - AWU calls for urgent action to ensure future of Alcoa Pt. Henry
•Climate Citizen, 8 December 2011 - Alcoa Anglesea Coal Mine 50 year lease ext
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Reply #8 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:48am
 
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.




Closed GM Holden, Closed Toyota and tried to close SPC ???

The writing was on the wall for Alcoa.
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Reply #9 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:53am
 
A fact of the state of the Global & Local Economy!

This year & next were set to be very difficult for a number of reasons and it would have been similar under Labor, although it will be "somewhat" worse under the Coalition, due to their AUS-terity driven DNA..

Unfortunately, there just isn't any fixes, easy or otherwise, so take a deep breath & get ready for a wild ride!
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Reply #10 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:55am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:48am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.




Closed GM Holden, Closed Toyota and tried to close SPC ???

The writing was on the wall for Alcoa.


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Reply #11 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:56am
 
YOU KNOW THEY BLAME ABBOTT FOR G.W. DONT YOU??...

WAIT A MINUTE ITS NOW CALLED ...

CLIMATE CHANGE.... Roll Eyes..


maybe someone said snow aint warm...
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Reply #12 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:59am
 
woody2014 wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:55am:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:48am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.




Closed GM Holden, Closed Toyota and tried to close SPC ???

The writing was on the wall for Alcoa.


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the mentality of the DARKSIDE.. is a worry isnt it...

lets see if they go out and BUY SPC....or will the  the buggers buy that cheap select stuff... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


they dont seem to get that a product is only as good as the market that BUYS IT>.. and thats them isnt it??? Grin Grin Grin Grin..

wonder when they will wake up..at this rate never
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Reply #13 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:03am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:53am:
A fact of the state of the Global & Local Economy!

This year & next were set to be very difficult for a number of reasons and it would have been similar under Labor, although it will be "somewhat" worse under the Coalition, due to their AUS-terity driven DNA..

Unfortunately, there just isn't any fixes, easy or otherwise, so take a deep breath & get ready for a wild ride!

Aluminium producer Alcoa confirms decision to close Point Henry smelter, rolling mills
Updated 4 minutes ago

Workers enter the Alcoa aluminium smelter in Geelong
PHOTO: The closure of the smelter would result in the loss of about 500 jobs. (AAP: Julian Smith)
RELATED STORY: No decision yet on Point Henry smelter: Alcoa
MAP: Geelong 3220
Aluminium producer Alcoa has announced that it will close its Point Henry smelter and two rolling mills in Australia putting almost 1,000 people out of work.

The decision was made at a meeting of the Alcoa Australia board this morning.

The chairman and managing director of Alcoa, Alan Cransberg, is briefing employees.

Alcoa employs 500 workers at the Geelong smelter and about 480 at the rolling mills at Geelong and at Yennora, New South Wales.

The smelter will be closed in August and the rolling mills will wrap up operations at the end of 2014.

The company says a comprehensive review of the 50-year-old smelter has no prospect of becoming financially viable.

The company is closing the rolling mills because of excess capacity.

"We recognise how deeply this decision impacts employees at the affected facilities and are committed to supporting them through this transition," said Klaus Kleinfeld, the company chief executive officer.

"Despite the hard work of the local teams these assets are no longer competitive and are not financially sustainable today or into the future."

Alcoa will try and find a buyer for the Anglesea coal mine and power station.

It supplies about 40 per cent of the power needed for the smelter and can operate as an stand-alone facility.

The Portland aluminium smelter and the company's bauxite mining and alumina refinery operations in Western Australia will continue to operate as normal.

Mr Cransberg says it was a difficult decision to make.

"Everyone has worked hard to improve the competitiveness of the smelter and rolling business," he said.

"They are a part of a proud history of Alcoa in Australia over the last 50 years."

The closure will reduce Al

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Reply #14 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:06am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:48am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:43am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:38am:
FriYAY wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:30am:
Bam wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 8:21am:
The job losses are mounting. Here comes Abbott's recession.


You actually seemed reasonably intelligent, pity you've slipped into the mire with the other morons... Roll Eyes

Well, well. An ad hominem attack. Why am I not surprised? That's what happens when a conservative poster cannot refute the argument.



OK, you tell us what Abbott did that will close Alcoa, thanks.




Closed GM Holden, Closed Toyota and tried to close SPC ???

The writing was on the wall for Alcoa.


Can you show how Abbott "closed Holden".

Can you show how Abbott "closed Toyota".

Can you show how Abbott "tried to close SPC".

Can you show how Abbott "put the writting on the wall" at Alcoa.

Thanks.

Do you agree with continuous corporate welfare?

Most rational people understand that manufacturing has been on the way out in this country for years and no one government is to blame (especially one that has just come to power after 6 years of another government)

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