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Reply #30 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:39pm
 
Yes. Let's.
A Government is accountable to people like we are to shareholders.
A Government should run a country to sound investment and spend it's people's money like we do.
A Government should have the best people in place to run the country no matter their gender or race, just like we do.

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Reply #31 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:41pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm:
Maqqa wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm:
Labor appointed a female PM and look at the disaster that was and still is


So you believe that no females should be MPs then? Because they are all disasters?

Misogynist.


Best PM Britain ever had was a woman.
It's worst (Ted Heath) was a man.

One of the worst PM Australia ever had was a woman.
Gough Whitlam - recognized by many as awful - was a man.

You just can't base on gender.
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Reply #32 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:47pm
 
... wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:37pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:35pm:
... wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:31pm:
If some politicians told you that they "identify as a woman" does that count as a female appointment?

As a female appointment? No. As a Woman appointment, I'd say yes.


Riiight.  My genderqueer theory is a little rusty - what's the difference again?

female is biological.
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Reply #33 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:48pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:39pm:
Yes. Let's.
A Government is accountable to people like we are to shareholders.
A Government should run a country to sound investment and spend it's people's money like we do.
A Government should have the best people in place to run the country no matter their gender or race, just like we do.

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Don't they compare poorly.... Roll Eyes


1. A company's main objective is to make profit.
2. Government's main objective is to provide a strong economy and to ensure social stability.

Those two differences alone explain why a GOVERNMENT is NOT A COMPANY. And should not be run like one.

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Reply #34 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:58pm
 
Put down your "Economics for Dummies -1960" book.

A company has several objectives both financial and social - enshrined within its mission statement and then waterfalled by way of corporate and personal goal objectives.

Our company - a typical US listed entity - had the aim to be a good social citizen.
To provide advancement of its employees, to make the world a cleaner place, to continue to advance sourcing of cleaner energy and making people more attached and closer to
Energy.

We have a profit objective too.

A Government should also want the best for its people like we do and make the world a cleaner safer place like we do.
A government should also invest wisely to ensure it builds a surplus after investing where it needs to stimulate growth - like we do.

You can tell which of us works in strategic finance in the real world eh?

Your opinion of companies objectives is borne out of outdated nonsense which tends to be the case if you get your info from outdated nonsense.
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Reply #35 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:01pm
 
You lost him at "Put"
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Reply #36 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:28pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 9:58pm:
Put down your "Economics for Dummies -1960" book.

A company has several objectives both financial and social - enshrined within its mission statement and then waterfalled by way of corporate and personal goal objectives.

Our company - a typical US listed entity - had the aim to be a good social citizen.
To provide advancement of its employees, to make the world a cleaner place, to continue to advance sourcing of cleaner energy and making people more attached and closer to
Energy.

We have a profit objective too.

A Government should also want the best for its people like we do and make the world a cleaner safer place like we do.
A government should also invest wisely to ensure it builds a surplus after investing where it needs to stimulate growth - like we do.

You can tell which of us works in strategic finance in the real world eh?

Your opinion of companies objectives is borne out of outdated nonsense which tends to be the case if you get your info from outdated nonsense.


Does your company look at everything through the cost benefit binoculars?  Then forget the mission statements and "Our Values" because these only count if they cost a little and lead to maximised profit.  Would you company ever say, "We'll lose this much money but it will result in us fullfilling a value of ours?"  Doubt it very much.   If an initiative to ensure advancement of its employees led your company to lose money, would they do it? Doubt it!

Whereas in government, you CAN"T ALWAYS look at things through a cost benefit binocoluar.  Why? BEcause that's when social cohesion falls over.  And governemnt should never look at a budget at a "profit" POV.  Sometimes ensuring strength in society and economy means a red bottom line.  But your company would NEVER do that.
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Reply #37 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:29pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:01pm:
You lost him at "Put"

if I was lost at Put then that means you must've been lost at "P".

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Reply #38 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:40pm
 
Christmas Parties. Cost $20,000 on average and we hold loads all around the world.

Company ball. Held in California and over 100 employees flown to it in business class flights and hotel stay.

None of which have a profit objective, cost a lot of money and are all about a rejuvenated employee group and corporate buy in.

We are happy to spend capital if it achieves objectives. My point is not all objectives are financial, they are also social. The problem is you are looking at it from a very outdated, cynical view of companies which is no longer true.
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Reply #39 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:52pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:40pm:
Christmas Parties. Cost $20,000 on average and we hold loads all around the world.

Company ball. Held in California and over 100 employees flown to it in business class flights and hotel stay.

None of which have a profit objective, cost a lot of money and are all about a rejuvenated employee group and corporate buy in.

We are happy to spend capital if it achieves objectives. My point is not all objectives are financial, they are also social. The problem is you are looking at it from a very outdated, cynical view of companies which is no longer true.

So because the company spends what... 0.0001% of its total revenue on christmas parties, you seem to think it's objectives are around social well being as well as economic well being? 

Grin  What's the bet that if the company was nearing a red bottom line at the end of the year, these christmas parties, designed specifically for indoctrination of employees as opposed to employee well being, will be removed ASAP?

We had that too - we had birthday cakes for all employees!  That went the moment they had a lower profit to the previous year. So much for social objectives.
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Reply #40 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:57pm
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
How many female appointments has this government made?

Cabinet - 1 woman.
GG - Male.
Oz High Commissioner to London - Downer (likes to wear stockings and high heels)
Australian Consul General to New York - male
royal commission into unions - male
royal commission into the pink batts - male
Commission of Audit - 1 female (Amanda Vanstone), 4 males
Inquiry into the Renewables Target - male.

Does our misogynist PM really believe that no "women of calibre" exist?


No - but I think he just figures that women of calibre don't outdo men of calibre, and that nobody should get a job on affirmative action any more.

Personally I think the whole lot in Canberra are a waste of time - men and women - and I hardly think his choice of A Man Named Vanstone, Maggie 'Ding-Dong' Thatcher Wannabe of the South seas, is of any value in any way and the whole 'commission of audit' is just a waste of time and a chance to fling the likes of her some easy dollars again - you see - I come from a tough environment where results count - and based on results none of that lot are worth feeding.


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Reply #41 - Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:58pm
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 10:57pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Feb 18th, 2014 at 2:57pm:
How many female appointments has this government made?

Cabinet - 1 woman.
GG - Male.
Oz High Commissioner to London - Downer (likes to wear stockings and high heels)
Australian Consul General to New York - male
royal commission into unions - male
royal commission into the pink batts - male
Commission of Audit - 1 female (Amanda Vanstone), 4 males
Inquiry into the Renewables Target - male.

Does our misogynist PM really believe that no "women of calibre" exist?


No - but I think he just figures that women of calibre don't outdo men of calibre, and that nobody should get a job on affirmative action any more.

Personally I think the whole lot in Canberra are a waste of time - men and women - and I hardly think his choice of A Man Named Vanstone, Maggie 'Ding-Dong' Thatcher Wannabe of the South seas, is of any value in any way and the whole 'commission of audit' is just a waste of time and a chance to fling the likes of her some easy dollars again - you see - I come from a tough environment where results count - and based on results none of that lot are worth feeding.



I'd buy that these selections are based on merit if they actually did a short list, presented the elecotrate with a short list, and explained their reasons for choice.

But that doesn't happen.
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Reply #42 - Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am
 
Funny how the lecties are going on about a lack of women in the government and the appointments made by the government, yet they were mocking, and gloating over the defeat of, a woman who was going to be a Cabinet Minister, had she not been cheated out of her rural Victotian seat.

Also white a bit of sexism and misogyny displayed by the left there again when that happened.

As usual, the moral flexibility of the left rears its ugly head.
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Reply #43 - Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43am
 
matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am:
Funny how the lecties are going on about a lack of women in the government and the appointments made by the government, yet they were mocking, and gloating over the defeat of, a woman who was going to be a Cabinet Minister, had she not been cheated out of her rural Victotian seat.

Also white a bit of sexism and misogyny displayed by the left there again when that happened.

As usual, the moral flexibility of the left rears its ugly head.


Leftards are all talk on all issues. They really only like women in brothels so they can have use them and then use other peoples money to pay for it.


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Reply #44 - Feb 19th, 2014 at 7:03am
 
Rider wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 6:43am:
matty wrote on Feb 19th, 2014 at 1:05am:
Funny how the lecties are going on about a lack of women in the government and the appointments made by the government, yet they were mocking, and gloating over the defeat of, a woman who was going to be a Cabinet Minister, had she not been cheated out of her rural Victotian seat.

Also white a bit of sexism and misogyny displayed by the left there again when that happened.

As usual, the moral flexibility of the left rears its ugly head.


Leftards are all talk on all issues. They really only like women in brothels so they can have use them and then use other peoples money to pay for it.





Blahahahaha Cheesy
Maybe we are a sexist society. If so, the political parties better learn to adapt or they are f^^ked.
No one in suburbia liked being lectured by gillard or milne or SHY.
No one likes being lectured by Eva cox or Fran kelly or the million other aggro females.
Female voters probably dont like it either. They want women to be nurturing, not all bent, snarly and vicious like julia's "I will not be lectured by this man"
As per usual, sigh, the elites are just out of touch.
People watch neighbours and home and away. Pick a female politician like madge from neighbours or marge simpson from the simpsons.  Not some angry intellectual the "man and the woman  in the street" cant relate to
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