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Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #135 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:19pm

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:52am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:37am:

Grendel wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:34am:

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 6:14am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 12:43pm:

Kat wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 10:10am:

Rider wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 5:39am:

____ wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:29am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 7:19am:

Yes, close Manus Island now, send them ALL home (or back to Indonesia or their starting point) and let them apply for refugee status with their documents in hand.

One death isn't enough for you guys?

More than 1,000 deaths under Labor obviously weren't enough for you Greenies to do something about it while wedded to Gillard...

And that is one huge sh1t sandwich the Greens and Labor leftards are gonna be chewing on for ever - geez it must suck when your whole team has had its head shoved down the toilet repeatedly - oh how the haters are hating now Grin

Neither Labor nor the Greens are responsible for these deaths. Nor will their supporters accept
or acknowledge any culpability, as there is none.

If anyone is responsible, it's the Indonesians, for allowing them to depart in unseaworthy ships
and the Libs for refusing to accept that they are refugees, not terrorists after our Centrelink
benefits.

If what you say is true, then if a boat carrying 100 illegal immigrants sinks at sea tomorrow it will definitely not be Abbott's fault.

Boats sink all the time.

But, generally, the survivors are not abused, marginalised, and thrown
into concentration-camps.

And they are NOT 'illegal. This lie needs to be put to death once and for all.

Speaking of lies.... you do realise the idea for those "concentration camps" was Labor policy right?

No. It wasn't.

Labor had immigration centres.

The scum Howard turned them into concentration camps.

And then moved them offshore to avoid their illegality under Australian law.

Libs are racist, xenophobic criminals, nothing more.

You have NO moral high ground to take here, so don't bother to try.

NO Kat... the detention centres were labor policy and labor's idea from the very beginning.
You lose all credibility when you rant and lie.

But I didn't 'lie'. I stated as much.

See highlight.

Your little suckphuck mate Kevin reopened Manus pussie kat Angry

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Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #136 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:28pm

Kat wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 5:15pm:

But I didn't 'lie'. I stated as much.

See highlight.

your attempted spin is as transparent as glass and so very typical. Immigration centres conjure up images of places like Nunawading where invited new arrivals were housed whilst looking for jobs and housing.

Keatings legislation was mandatory detention for those that arrived uninvited and without visas.

Not the same ballpark, not even the same game.

But nice try comrade. Cool

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Reply #137 - Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

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Reply #138 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 5:50am

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

Excellent post, 'H'.

You're obviously not one of the 'denialists' and 'apologists' on this subject.

When things get a little crowded in the detention centres it's often the case that in order to ease the pressure and lower the temperature, 'Ministerial Discretion' will release some of these frauds into the Australian community on a sort of 'parole' basis ... with many of them disappearing into the community, never to be found again.

The UK is Australia's Crystal Ball to what's really happening, and that's because the print media in the UK has 'rightwing' mainstream newspapers of the sort that we do not have here in Australia.

Here's a case in point of how the pro bono lawyers, the 'Human Rights' socialists, and the neurotic self-harmers work hard to poison the wells in their own homeland by manipulating the system to ensure that foreigners of criminal liability remain permanently in Britain.

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First, the lion’s share of blame lies, of course, with Saleh – a convicted sex offender who exploited the kindness of the society that played host to him.

The writer got this wrong. Needless to say, the main culprits in this whole sorry saga have been the socialists acting as pro bono lawyers and shameless advocates for this piece of trash.

Welcome to the board, 'H'!

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Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #139 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:21am

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

Exactly - it would be so very interesting to see just how many "refugees" would be successful in their application for asylum if they didn't destroy their passports and all other identifying documentation. In the absence of such documents, immigration authorities rely on statements made by the applicants. Now, of course they're going to lie through their teeth because obviously they want to see their application succeed and in the absence of any other information, authorities really have little choice but to believe what they're being told.

Also, I'd like to see the government take a harder line with the criteria that must be met for gaining asylum. The UNHCR says that if they pass through or near countries that ARE signatories to the UNHCR refugee convention, it makes their application for asylum null and void. As you stated, they bypass numerous countries hell-bent on making it here. The problem is, however, with no passport, we have little in the way of positively identifying which country they came from and so this makes it difficult to deport them if we don't know where to send them. For this reason alone, I suspect many applications are approved simply because it cannot be proven who they really are or where they came from.

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Reply #140 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 6:41am

As just one example of how many 'asylum-seekers' are deemed to be fraudulent 'economic migrants' in the European zone, the Iraqis are an indication of how many claimants from other Middle Eastern countries are simply trying to cheat the system.

It's a huge tsunami of rorters trying to access the privileges enjoyed by Westerners.

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The Iraqi parliament has banned the forced return from Europe of tens of thousands of failed asylum seekers and threatened to fine airlines that take part in deportation programmes.

... tens of thousands ...

link.

And of course this scenario would be similar in the Australian context, except that distance, inconvenience, and the Iraqi government's refusal to take them back means they are accepted in their droves by our government.

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woof woof Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1518 Gender:	Re: Close Manus Now Reply #141 - Feb 22^nd, 2014 at 8:55am how many boat ppl should we take?? the question is never answered, why?? because the words all of them who arrive is not a number? Great lets just bring the entire population of Syria here, or Afghanistan. How would that work for you bleeding heart do nogooders
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Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #142 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:32am

Here he is, telling us that the deaths etc occurred outside the centre. Hear his words:

So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean. (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?)

Click here.

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"I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement.

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Reply #143 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:43am

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean. (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?)

Click here.

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"I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement.

As Scott Morrison wasn't on the spot during this riot/s he can only go by what he was told. If that story has changed, once again he can only respond with details as they come to him, so genius, HTF can he be lying?

You sound more and more like that whining idiot SHY.......

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Re: Close Manus Now
Reply #144 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:52am

viewpoint wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:43am:

Aussie wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 10:32am:

So, Morrison lied to us, and, given the lie was about to be exposed, he had to come clean. (Wonder how many other lies and half truths this prick has uttered?)

Click here.

Quote:

"I wish to confirm that, contrary to initial reports received, I have received further information that indicates that the majority of the riotous behaviour that occurred, and the response to that behaviour to restore order to the centre, took place within the perimeter of the centre," the minister said in the statement.

As Scott Morrison wasn't on the spot during this riot/s he can only go by what he was told. If that story has changed, once again he can only respond with details as they come to him, so genius, HTF can he be lying?

You sound more and more like that whining idiot SHY.......

Did you hear his words in yourtube link I gave. He made those statements as fact, not "I have been advised......." Huge difference, and he knows it.

This bloke has to go. Not only has he lied, he is directly responsible for the death of a person he had a duty of care to protect.

I did notice that the Greens have been calling this a murder. Sounds more and more likely.

Morrison and Abbott cannot escape responsibility for it. It is their scheme, their detention centre, and they a putting refugees there.

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Reply #145 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:13am

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

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Reply #146 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:16am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:13am:

harmonious7 wrote on Feb 21^st, 2014 at 7:46pm:

I wholeheartedly disagree with on-shore detention. The reason is because on-shore detention is abused by lawyers who work pro-bono to overturn asylum cases through laws they themselves, as well as what refugee advocates lobbied for, who are more in line with far-left politics, such as encouraging boat journeys which is advocated by the socialist faction of The Greens. It is corrupt. It is based on the far-left socialist agenda for open borders. I don’t think that the traumatisation and drowning of children tagged along by others through people smuggling syndicates is acceptable. Several countries that are UN refugee convention signatories are bypassed, such as Kazakhstan, Kyrgyztan and Tajikistan.

I support genuine humanitarian refugee intake, such as from UN run refugee camps. Not asylum seekers arriving to Australian moorings without documentation. Though advocates claim 90% of boat people are genuine refugees. It’s disingenuous & biased as it depends upon the basis of which refugee status was granted. The UNHCR Handbook for asylum seekers specifies in Part B that if there’s no documentation, benefit of the doubt is a preferred option if the asylum claim seems credible. One part actually specifies it’s “frequently necessary to give the applicant the benefit of the doubt” because claimants can’t always prove their case.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Manus must stay open Reply #147 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:07am Just to piss of the Greens
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Re: Manus must stay open
Reply #148 - Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:24am

Maqqa wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2014 at 11:07am:

Just to piss of the Greens

hillarious.... wasnt it their fault it was opened in the first place????>...

I am sure they wailed and wailed about the pacific solution.. thought it was cruel and should be abandoned.... it was them wasnt it????? Cheesy

Manus Island opened in 2001 along with another facility on Nauru under the government of John Howard as part of the "Pacific Solution" response to large numbers of people seeking asylum by boat. Among the 1,637 asylum seekers processed between the two centres were the 433 passengers from the Tampa.

Both centres were heavily criticised for the conditions asylum seekers lived in and the lack of access given to human rights organisations. The Australian human rights commission was denied assistance by the department of immigration in accessing Manus for inspection.

Kevin Rudd closed both centres in 2008, by which time no asylum seeker had been held at the Manus Island centre since the last refugee Aladdin Sisalem left in 2004. Sisalem was the sole detainee for 10 months at a cost to Australia of $250,000 a month.

HOHUM....

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